Married with Children? You're amongst the elite in America.

[jackangel]

if "degrading" isn't your word of choice, then at the very least, perhaps you'll agree that you're making a value judgement which indicates disapproval of single parenthood in the majority of cases.

 

[heatherrae]

This is one of those threads where you think to yourself, "I just didn't see it turning out this way."

lol

 

[jackangel]

This is one of those threads where you think to yourself, "I just didn't see it turning out this way."

i wish i had said this.

e-love you long time.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Here is the issue I have with marriage/kids/sex.

Assuming premaritial sex is wrong, how can anyone successfully pull it off without doing something extremely dumb like getting married at an early age?

 

[Frisky]

Here is the issue I have with marriage/kids/sex.

Assuming premaritial sex is wrong, how can anyone successfully pull it off without doing something extremely dumb like getting married at an early age?

finally... you actually said something smart for a change. wanna get married?

 

[heatherrae]

Here is the issue I have with marriage/kids/sex.

Assuming premaritial sex is wrong, how can anyone successfully pull it off without doing something extremely dumb like getting married at an early age?

Very valid point.

 

[Frisky]

man I can not believe the turn of this thread. I love (well e love ) everyone who posted and agree to disagree with some of you. But really, society, religion and politics pressure us to marry for one reason or another... the result... wounded relationships in the end. I for one am happier now without a paper giving me the right to have sex and it be blessed. Whom can actually grant me that right besides God himself (If i am a believer) ? Who are you (anyone) to judge me or anyone else that does not abide by your rules or your religion? I deal with this shit enough with my Hypocrite mother ... then now having to deal with other hypocrites ...lol...

 

[javaguru]

I am currently 'shaked up' and couldn't be happier. I was married for 11 years, and quite miserable twords the end, which ended in divorce and two kids that really were miserable with us being together. My kids are very loved and provided for.

Marriage is a law created by man, I will forever think of it that way and have since the day I was old enough to even know how to spell it. I know the whole dynamics of how law of the land pertains to what the bible says... etc... but I still don't feel like I need another mortal to bless a relationship for me. I am loyal, devoted and a great mother and SO, no paper in the world could possibly make me better...

I found this interesting,

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%


"Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all. George Barna commented that the results raise "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families.' The data challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage.'"

Donald Hughes, author of The Divorce Reality, said:

"In the churches, people have a superstitious view that Christianity will keep them from divorce, but they are subject to the same problems as everyone else, and they include a lack of relationship skills. ...Just being born again is not a rabbit's foot."

Hughes claim that 90% of divorces among born-again couples occur after they have been "saved."

Ron Barrier, Spokespersonn for American Atheists remarked on these findings with some rather caustic comments against organized religion. He said:

"These findings confirm what I have been saying these last five years. Since Atheist ethics are of a higher caliber than religious morals, it stands to reason that our families would be dedicated more to each other than to some invisible monitor in the sky. With Atheism, women and men are equally responsible for a healthy marriage. There is no room in Atheist ethics for the type of 'submissive' nonsense preached by Baptists and other Christian and/or Jewish groups. Atheists reject, and rightly so, the primitive patriarchal attitudes so prevalent in many religions with respect to marriage."

 

[Frisky]

I found this interesting,

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%


"Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all. George Barna commented that the results raise "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families.' The data challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage.'"

Donald Hughes, author of The Divorce Reality, said:

"In the churches, people have a superstitious view that Christianity will keep them from divorce, but they are subject to the same problems as everyone else, and they include a lack of relationship skills. ...Just being born again is not a rabbit's foot."

Hughes claim that 90% of divorces among born-again couples occur after they have been "saved."

Ron Barrier, Spokespersonn for American Atheists remarked on these findings with some rather caustic comments against organized religion. He said:

"These findings confirm what I have been saying these last five years. Since Atheist ethics are of a higher caliber than religious morals, it stands to reason that our families would be dedicated more to each other than to some invisible monitor in the sky. With Atheism, women and men are equally responsible for a healthy marriage. There is no room in Atheist ethics for the type of 'submissive' nonsense preached by Baptists and other Christian and/or Jewish groups. Atheists reject, and rightly so, the primitive patriarchal attitudes so prevalent in many religions with respect to marriage."

I am a believer, i don't practice the way I am told by my church... but still read and believe. I have my own way of practice and those whom disagree with me just as soon step off and away from my life. I don't tell them how to butter their bread and therefore I don't take it lightly when they suggest how I lead my life or if and when I should have sex or marry... etc. I love the church I belong to, its the people however that make the church, not just the pastor... and lately the people (mostly whom are really close to me... family) have pushed me further and further away.

 

[Jimsbbc]

Some of the most elitist, self-centered, egotistical, self-indulgent, narcissistic people I have ever encountered were prominent members or even elders in the evangelical church I belonged to in the Memorial area of Houston. I have since been drawn to smaller, down home type churches since leaving.