Married with Children? You're amongst the elite in America.

[velvett]

Wait...

I'm married
2 kids
Wife stays at home

We're practicing Buddhist.

Does the buddhist thing make me an attacker of traditional American families?

Really?
I had no idea - that's fabulous.
If I would choose to practice any specific religion it would be Buddhism or Taoism.

Nice.

 

[WODIN]

So you come up with all your typical bullshit and trype that the right loves to throw out and you don't post this paragraph from the same article.

"Marriage has declined across all income groups, but it has declined far less among couples who make the most money and have the best education. These couples are also less likely to divorce. Many demographers peg the rise of a class-based marriage gap to the erosion since 1970 of the broad-based economic prosperity that followed World War II."

Why leave out the direct impact of economics ?

 

[heatherrae]

So you come up with all your typical bullshit and trype that the right loves to throw out and you don't post this paragraph from the same article.

"Marriage has declined across all income groups, but it has declined far less among couples who make the most money and have the best education. These couples are also less likely to divorce. Many demographers peg the rise of a class-based marriage gap to the erosion since 1970 of the broad-based economic prosperity that followed World War II."

Why leave out the direct impact of economics ?

Doesn't fit with his religious dogma.

 

[Longhorn85]

When you disparage a group of people be prepared to stand up against the individuals in that group that call you out. Oh, you better also be damned sure you aren't included in that group.

Included in which group? You have made an accusation. Surely you have some basis for it, unless you are grasping for straws.

Are you saying that you chose to be a single mother? Is that what you will tell your child when she asks for her Daddy?

I don't think you did, but you did choose to shack up and play house instead of marry. Would you recommend that your daughter do the same when she gets older?

In many states couples receive the benefits of marriage (custody rights, common law, etc) without being marriage. It is this type of situation that I think discourages marriage and leads to bad situations for kids.

Like I said before, I think superdave, nathan and enderje got it right when they say marriage should be harder to achieve.

 

[Longhorn85]

So you come up with all your typical bullshit and trype that the right loves to throw out and you don't post this paragraph from the same article.

"Marriage has declined across all income groups, but it has declined far less among couples who make the most money and have the best education. These couples are also less likely to divorce. Many demographers peg the rise of a class-based marriage gap to the erosion since 1970 of the broad-based economic prosperity that followed World War II."

Why leave out the direct impact of economics ?

I left out nothing. You read from the link I posted. Not my fault if some folks choose not to read it before commenting. As a matter of fact that was my first response to HR because she clearly did not read (or comprehend) even my excerpt.

 

[ksharp01]

I don't care to even involve myself in this heated debate but did wanna pop in to just say
It Monday .... I'm doing good to just be here today

 

[heatherrae]

Included in which group? You have made an accusation. Surely you have some basis for it, unless you are grasping for straws.

Are you saying that you chose to be a single mother? Is that what you will tell your child when she asks for her Daddy?

I don't think you did, but you did choose to shack up and play house instead of marry. Would you recommend that your daughter do the same when she gets older?

In many states couples receive the benefits of marriage (custody rights, common law, etc) without being marriage. It is this type of situation that I think discourages marriage and leads to bad situations for kids.

Like I said before, I think superdave, nathan and enderje got it right when they say marriage should be harder to achieve.

LOL...there you go...go ahead and get your hatred of single moms out on the table.

I'm basing my opinion on an old thread whick I recall in which you said that you had commited an indescretion in your marriage. If I am wrong, please deny it. I will retract my statment, gladly.

I'm basing my opinion that you have had sex outside of marriage on the basis that I think 99.9% of the population has. Once again, you can deny it and tell us that you have only had sex with your wife, within your marriage. Anyone who is disparaging single motherhood and has had sex outside of marriage is a hypocrite because their union could have resulted in the same situation.

I read the excerpt. The excerpt actually has nothing to do with the venom you are spewing on here. It made me question your reading comprehension, actually. That article cited a wholly different hypothesis than your hateful bigoted one.

 

[Longhorn85]

I question your decision to shack up vs marry. Perhaps you had planned to get married. I can't see why a man would marry though, if he is getting all the benefits without the committment. This is a no-win situation for the woman involved.

Is he in anyway obligated to support that child?

If this is in your mind bashing single motherhood, then I am guilty as charged.

 

[heatherrae]

I question your decision to shack up vs marry. Perhaps you had planned to get married. I can't see why a man would marry though, if he is getting all the benefits without the committment. This is a no-win situation for the woman involved.

Is he in anyway obligated to support that child?

If this is in your mind bashing single motherhood, then I am guilty as charged.

We were engaged to be married. I moved to florida to be with him. Plenty of people live together while engaged and end up marrying. I, unlike you, though, don't consider my child to be some sort of curse. Nor do I consider the fact that I dumped him instead of marrying him some big travesty.

I don't see how his child support obligations relate to this conversation, but he would be required to pay if I pursued it, but I am not going to.

but let's get back to the thread starter. Have you never been in a situation where you could have created a child out of wedlock? You have never had extramarital sex?

 

[Bikini Mod]

Marriage was a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT designed to protect a woman's (and her offspring's) ability to survive.

This notion of love didnt even enter into people's thoughts until the past 100 years or so.

I have, personally struggled with the notion of why remarry? I mean, I was struggling to get by, true. But at least I wasn't "owned".

Then I met my current husband, a man of great character and integrity and the question of marriage never came up. It just felt natural. We had both been married previously and hardly even wanted a commitment, let alone marriage. But we quickly realized that we (for each other) were a great fit and we genuinely LIKED one another and wanted that other person to be our partner. No flowery romance here. Just a wise business decision where KINDNESS and COMMUNICATION is key.

The reverend who married us wouldnt do it without a few hours of interview and he could have refused right up to the time of the ceremony (as he told us he has on many occasions in the past). But he did decide to marry us because he could tell that we were both experienced enough in life to know what was healthy and was unhealthy for ourselves and one another.

See.... no mention of love.

He brought that up to me at the conclusion of one of our interviews. I told him that I was very well acquainted with all forms of love: eros, philos and agape. And none of those had anything to do with why I allowed my husband to choose me.

It was because of mutual respect, integrity, LIKEABILITY and freedom. We both trust and let the other do what pleases them because our happiness comes from our partner being happy.

I am sorry but I am going to disagree that single parents, abortion, homosexuality or any of those phenomenas listed before are what is attacking the families in America. I believe it has more to do with PATHETIC PARENTING.

Divorce makes it harder but not impossible to properly parent children.

Single parents have been around since the dawn of man. THEY GAVE EVERYTHING TO THEIR CHILD SO THAT THE CHILD COULD HAVE A LIFE BETTER.

How many parents in America can make that statement and be 100% honest?