Is this self defense or murder?

[heatherrae]

It was an accident and the cop should have known better than to storm a "suspected" dealers home in the middle of the night
The cop knew the risks of the job before he took it. He knew the risks of storming into a dealers home, and he took it.
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Ummmmm....are you SERIOUS? You want cops to send an invitation and make an appointment with the drug dealers to search their homes? I can't believe you said the cop should have "known better" than to come into the criminal's home in the middle of the night. Ummmm...that is his JOB.

You think the drug business is full of nice business people just selling their wares like anyone else? You wouldn't believe the level of violence these people stoop to.

 

[blueta2]

Ummmmm....are you SERIOUS? You want cops to send an invitation and make an appointment with the drug dealers to search their homes? I can't believe you said the cop should have "known better" than to come into the criminal's home in the middle of the night. Ummmm...that is his JOB.

You think the drug business is full of nice business people just selling their wares like anyone else? You wouldn't believe the level of violence these people stoop to.

I think drug dealers in Canada are much diff than in the US. There really is little violence up here due to drug dealers. And not that I want to annouce it, but I've known many big time dealers and they are more peaceful than the anyone else I know. They keep to themselves to avoid trouble.

But yes, I'm serious, the cops should have not tried to bust this dude in the middle of the night. It's such a huge story up here, because this never happens like this.

Here's a story for you; the guy across the street from me is a drug dealer. Small time, deals from his house. EVERYONE on the street knows he's a dealer.
There is a cop on my street who's been taking surveillance. Well this cop, who is now in private security, went to the detectives to give them all the info on the dealer across the street and the detective said. "We know about this guy but have no time to chase drug dealers"
So this dude is still dealing day/night from his house. Cops cars pass by daily and they never even stop.
Why not gang-bust his house in the middle of the night. They KNOW, not suspect he's a dealer

 

[heatherrae]

I think drug dealers in Canada are much diff than in the US. There really is little violence up here due to drug dealers. And not that I want to annouce it, but I've known many big time dealers and they are more peaceful than the anyone else I know. They keep to themselves to avoid trouble.

But yes, I'm serious, the cops should have not tried to bust this dude in the middle of the night. It's such a huge story up here, because this never happens like this.

Here's a story for you; the guy across the street from me is a drug dealer. Small time, deals from his house. EVERYONE on the street knows he's a dealer.
There is a cop on my street who's been taking surveillance. Well this cop, who is now in private security, went to the detectives to give them all the info on the dealer across the street and the detective said. "We know about this guy but have no time to chase drug dealers"
So this dude is still dealing day/night from his house. Cops cars pass by daily and they never even stop.
Why not gang-bust his house in the middle of the night. They KNOW, not suspect he's a dealer

I thought you were very anti-gun? Now you are defending a criminal who obviously kept a loaded gun by his bed at night and killed a cop in the line of duty?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Innocent until proven guilty.

The cop had no right to charge without identifying himself. The suspect has the right to ask to see a warrant. His house is private property. He can sue the cop (had he not shot him) for not showing a warranty, not identifying himself and not reading his rights (had he arrested him himself)

 

[blueta2]

I thought you were very anti-gun? Now you are defending a criminal who obviously kept a loaded gun by his bed at night and killed a cop in the line of duty?

I'm anti-violence and don't condone anyone owning an illegal gun.
I do however defend anyone who I feel is unjustly accused of something they didn't do.
Seriously, in my mind, the Montreal Police dept owe this guy and his family an apology and some compesation for all this trouble.

I'm sickened by how the cops feel they can bust into a house where two kids were sleeping. They should have planned it better and not put innocent (his wife and kids) in jeopardy.

And again I need to state very clearly, I see nothng wrong with dealing drugs. Drugs should be as legal as booze and gambling.
More drunks kill inoccent people on the roads than any drug dealer has.
If drugs were legal, then these sort of storied would not have to be told.
The cops can focus on catching real criminals
By the way, I do not do drugs

 

[heatherrae]

Innocent until proven guilty.

The cop had no right to charge without identifying himself. The suspect has the right to ask to see a warrant. His house is private property. He can sue the cop (had he not shot him) for not showing a warranty, not identifying himself and not reading his rights (had he arrested him himself)

Man, I absolutely cannot see how you guys don't get it that you can't make an appointment with drug dealers to come search the house. The element of surprise is so that they do not destroy evidence or so that the cops don't walk in on an ambush. Most drug raids are done in the middle of the night like that for those reasons. The fact that crooks know this and still decide to subject their children to that risk is on the parents' heads.

 

[stephen4327]

innocent til proven guilty.

 

[blueta2]

Man, I absolutely cannot see how you guys don't get it that you can't make an appointment with drug dealers to come search the house. The element of surprise is so that they do not destroy evidence or so that the cops don't walk in on an ambush. Most drug raids are done in the middle of the night like that for those reasons. The fact that crooks know this and still decide to subject their children to that risk is on the parents' heads.

Well some parents still smoke cigs around their kids or drive drunk with their kids. Humans are imperfect and like I said, I don't believe this guy was dealing dope from his home.
They could have busted him when they knew the kids were out etc.
How do they bust criminals on the Soprano's. The cops never busted Tony's house right? ;-)

The cops need to do their jobs, but in a more productive manner.
Now having said this, ok, if the guy is a crook he needs to be put in his place, but I don't think he should be accused of murder in the 1st.
He was truly defending his life and family from the middle of the night strangers. And again, taking into consideration the whole community here was on full alter for home invaders.

 

[binö]

Posession of steroids is NOT illegal in Canada, FYI

awesome
but setting up a lab and shipping aas across canada most definetly is illegal.
we are not talking about mere possession, we are talking about drug dealing.
i'm baffled at what i am reading...army vet (who i think is a top notch bro) is commenting that drug dealers should be executed.
yet, i bet he doesn't feel the same way about the dude making and distrubting drugs that are just as illegal (stateside) as crack or meth.
joosers love to think they are some how different and special from the avg street drug user, but in the eyes of the law, they are largely the same person

 

[Walter Szczerbiak]

awesome
but setting up a lab and shipping aas across canada most definetly is illegal.
we are not talking about mere possession, we are talking about drug dealing.
i'm baffled at what i am reading...army vet (who i think is a top notch bro) is commenting that drug dealers should be executed.
yet, i bet he doesn't feel the same way about the dude making and distrubting drugs that are just as illegal (stateside) as crack or meth.
joosers love to think they are some how different and special from the avg street drug user, but in the eyes of the law, they are largely the same person

I agree 100%