Is this self defense or murder?

[needtogetarmy]

A cop asking you to get out of the car is still acting within his legal rights, so that's a really bad analogy.


For the record, if I were on the jury I would convict of manslaughter...there are more options than murder and self defense. I believe it was a clusterfuck situation that got out of hand and someone was killed without that being the actual intent of the moment.

+1 good conclusion.

 

[the_alcatraz]

How the hell do they have the right to attack without a warrant or anything?

I would rip his heart out if they attacked me while my wife and kids were in the room, ask questions later.

If he's really a dangerous drug dealer, then it's murder. If he's innocent, then it's self-defense? I guess that could be a simplified way of looking at it.

What do you think?

A montreal man is on trial for murdering a Montreal police officer.
Last March, 2007, Montreal police made a middle of the night suprise attack on a suspected drug dealers house. The cops rushed into this guys house where this man, his wife and 2 kids slept.

The man who thought he was being robbed got his gun and shot at the cop who came busting into the room shooting. Suspected drug dealer kills cop.

He's on trial and the jury is out as of last weekend. They can either convict of 1st degree murder, 2nd degree or aquit under the self defense law.

If this guy is convicted of murder, I know the justice system is seriously faulty!


Discuss...........

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=562799


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...10/parasiris_trial_080610/20080610?hub=Canada

 

[needtogetarmy]

How the hell do they have the right to attack without a warrant or anything?

I would rip his heart out if they attacked me while my wife and kids were in the room, ask questions later.

If he's really a dangerous drug dealer, then it's murder. If he's innocent, then it's self-defense? I guess that could be a simplified way of looking at it.

What do you think?

They had a warrant. The article said it was not properly obtained though. I haven't seen the court documentation to prove that statement and newspapers lie all the time.

Even if the warrant was invalid on a technicality the police did announce they were coming in and shooting after that is not justified.

 

[dirty~d~]

Self defense. Until they have proven and convicted him as a drug dealer he's still a private citizen defending his home against invaders... which is legal in Montreal, right?

 

[binö]

lol at everone wailing about drugs on a illegal drug website
oh the hypcrisoy of joosers thinking they are somehow different

 

[canadianhitman]

lol at everone wailing about drugs on a illegal drug website
oh the hypcrisoy of joosers thinking they are somehow different

Posession of steroids is NOT illegal in Canada, FYI

 

[heatherrae]

Normally, I would agree, but this guy and his wife were so out of it and I know there are times when I am FAST asleep and won't even hear a thunderstorm.
Also, in the last year, here in the city, there have been a strong of home invasions. So this dude thought he was being robbed

Well, when you decide to deal drugs out of your house, that risk is on you. You know that police may raid you at any time, and you decide to keep a loaded gun right by your bed and use it before you know who is in the house? Please. I guess I've just been around lots of criminals because of my job, and I have a hard time believing all these bullshit stories. Trust me. They all have a sob story about how someone in the justice system did them wrong, and they really are innocent.

You should have lived in Miami when the Columbian drug dealers were killing EVERYONE in sight -- women, babies, anyone. That would give you a different perspective.

Is everyone forgetting the police officer who got gunned down by this scumbag? Now there is probably a wife and little babies crying every night missing him.

 

[blueta2]

Self defense. Until they have proven and convicted him as a drug dealer he's still a private citizen defending his home against invaders... which is legal in Montreal, right?

right

 

[the_alcatraz]

Cop-killers should be thrown in jail no doubt about it...

But let me ask you this: Someone comes into your home in the middle of the night while your baby's sleeping, before you ask questions, you're going to protect yourself...the guy had a gun and looked like someone who wasn't supposed to be there, he shot him "in self defense"

Regardless of whether or not he's a drug dealer, thats not the point here...

What ever happened to "cops.....open up..." or "it's the police...you're surrounded..."

Even suspects have rights bro....this is America, not the middle east.

They had a warrant. The article said it was not properly obtained though. I haven't seen the court documentation to prove that statement and newspapers lie all the time.

Even if the warrant was invalid on a technicality the police did announce they were coming in and shooting after that is not justified.

 

[blueta2]

Well, when you decide to deal drugs out of your house, that risk is on you. You know that police may raid you at any time, and you decide to keep a loaded gun right by your bed and use it before you know who is in the house? Please. I guess I've just been around lots of criminals because of my job, and I have a hard time believing all these bullshit stories. Trust me. They all have a sob story about how someone in the justice system did them wrong, and they really are innocent.

You should have lived in Miami when the Columbian drug dealers were killing EVERYONE in sight -- women, babies, anyone. That would give you a different perspective.

Is everyone forgetting the police officer who got gunned down by this scumbag? Now there is probably a wife and little babies crying every night missing him.

This guy, if a drug dealer, which I think he is, was not dealing drugs out of his house. He was at the higher end of the drug ring, not the low end dealer.

Back during prohibition, people were being killed for alcohol as they are today with drugs. Make drugs legal and none of this nonense would happen.

Columbians killing women, children and anyone in sight was more about how fucking crazy they are than dealing drugs.

It was horrible that the cop was killed and it was sad for his family. It was an accident and the cop should have known better than to storm a "suspected" dealers home in the middle of the night
The cop knew the risks of the job before he took it. He knew the risks of storming into a dealers home, and he took it.
The police dept knew of all the home invasions that had been going on at the time. They were careless in their procedure.
If you're going to skydive, you have to know the risks, and if your chute does not open, then that sucks, but you knew the risks.