Injects out, help me plan oral

[d_rson]

Original post found here:
"First Inject Cycle" (can't post a link)

Mid 30s, almost 6' tall, current at 198lbs (waking, post-clearance), still 10% BF.
Current diet is back down to about two days 2500 cal, one day 3000 calories, repeat (carb--down, carb-up) (post above explains why massive calories are difficult for me - insulin dependent diabetic).
I train M-W-F, light 30 minute lunch workout (abs, maybe shoulders), and 1-1.5 hours after work (main body parts). Rep ranges right now are in the 5-6 range, doing strength routine right now with mostly compound exercises (in prep to roll back into 10 rep, muscle building range at hopefully heavier weights than before when done with the strength routine). I change routines every 4 weeks.

I'd like to run another short 6-8 weeker. I was gearing up for a first inject cycle but not going to happen right now (stuff never "made it to me"). Perhaps spring or pre-summer. Tapped out with Christmas and birthdays.

Goals are to gain solid, hard, keepable muscle. I'd also like to focus on some symetry, so huge growth is not needed. I like looking good and lean the entire time, I don't like being bloated, and I bloat easily (stomach) when on high calories, even on relatively clean carbs. After a PWO shake, I look preggers, lol! I’d like to be able to keep calories and carbs down to as low as possible but still make gains. 5-7lbs while dropping 1% of BF would be great…

Anyway, here's what I have:
2 bottles Dieselbolan
2 bottles BeastDrol
4 bottles 19 Tren TFO
113 tbol 10mg
200 anavar 10mg (anxious to try)
200 winstrol 10mg (was a "bonus" throw-in from last year due to order issues, never touched it)
10mg and 20mg Nolvadex
25mg Aromasin
Sustain Alpha

What would you guys recommend?

 

[d_rson]

Additional info: I'm not opposed to stacking two orals for a short period of time. I don't use high dosages to begin with, and while my liver values do rise, they never rose above high-normal (usually on the low side anyway) and certain values never rose at all, validated by routine blood tests every month that I have normally. I do agree that 1) everyone is different, and 2) orals are hard on the liver, but in my experience and at my dosages they were well within range during cycle and back down by the next months blood test after finishing the gear. This is dbol and tbol. I'm sure different compounds have different results.

I would like to try 19 tren tfo, and it's not 17aa, so would it make a nice added compound?

 

[truckdaddy]

toss in some S4

 

[hormoneman]

1) Week 1: VAR 20mgs/TBOL 30mgs ***Extremely LOW dose to ASSESS contraindications***
Week 2: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 40mgs *VAR Never EXCEEDS 30mgs, due to it's negative affect on LIBIDO.
Week 3: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
Week 4: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 5: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 6: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 7: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
2) Week 1: TBOL 30mgs ***Extremely LOW dose to ASSESS contraindications***
Week 2: TBOL 40mgs
Week 3: TBOL 50mgs
Week 4: TBOL 60mgs
Week 5: TBOL 60mgs
Week 6: TBOL 60mgs
Week 7: TBOL 50mgs
use liver protectants like Liv52 and Milk thristle.

 

[RADAR]

toss in some S4

nOW THAT A GOOD IDEA.
s4/BEASTDROL THAT WILL BE A WICKED COMBO.

Expect a 2lb week gain on S4 alone.

our sponsor has s4 (sarms search)
RADAR

 

[d_rson]

Additional info: Tapped out means I really can't invest any more mulla for a while. I just dropped the rest of my mulla on protein and anchillary sups (Post Cycle Liver Support, Garlic, Red Yeast Rice and COq10, flaxseed oil, etc, etc.). Id love to try S4 - maybe I could use it after the cycle or next, when I have more money.

I've taken tbol, so I'm very confortable with it. I like it alot. Only thing is it gives me heartburn like a mofo, so I take Apple Cider Vinegar caps three times a day and it really helps - without, tbol makes me feel like my chest is going to explode, at least at 40mg it does. It also drops off after week 4. Don't think I would use it past that point. I think it saturates the receptors so much and with out estrogen aromatization to upregulate them, tbol bogs down at 4 weeks - and not interested in raising the dosage higher and higher just to see a couple more pounds - not worth the health risks. Would rather switch compounds perhaps for the next 4 after and see if the receptors respond better. Or maybe use tbol in the last 4 weeks?

I don't mind using tbol again, as my libido stays strong (I've got sustain for libido too.) - maybe a low background dose all 8 weeks, so as not to super saturate the receptors but gain some anabolism, maintain libido, and augment the other compounds?

 

[d_rson]

Additional info: I'm a big planner, so I apologize for all the posts.

On reason I have stayed away from the anavar is it's proported fat burning quanlities are most likely due to causing insulin resistance at the Glut4 molecules of adipose tissues. For normal people, this means that adipose tissue will be resistant to uptake, and could actually empty out ("fat burning"). There is also the possibility that anavar "deactivates" insulin, as I have talked to other diabetics who have taken insulin, and they noted that the effectiveness timing dropped off (from 3 hours to 2 hours for analogs), which indicates possibly that anavar "kills" off the insulin prematurly - the problem this poses for me is that I would have to use more insulin, in theory, for my daily intake. I have no idea if that would be a small increase, or a large increase, and I don't want to get 3 weeks into a cycle and realize I don't have enough insulin to cover myself for my 90 days of script replenishment.

Another reason I like tbol - little or no insulin resistance was noted when I took it - my carb to units ratios stayed intact.

However, that said, I was able to get my 90 day scripts of novolog filled early, so I have 2-3 weeks of "extra" novolog...so I may be interested in trying the anavar for many reasons - person gain and as a test subject...

 

[HAYEZ]

1) Week 1: VAR 20mgs/TBOL 30mgs ***Extremely LOW dose to ASSESS contraindications***
Week 2: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 40mgs *VAR Never EXCEEDS 30mgs, due to it's negative affect on LIBIDO.
Week 3: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
Week 4: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 5: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 6: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week 7: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
2) Week 1: TBOL 30mgs ***Extremely LOW dose to ASSESS contraindications***
Week 2: TBOL 40mgs
Week 3: TBOL 50mgs
Week 4: TBOL 60mgs
Week 5: TBOL 60mgs
Week 6: TBOL 60mgs
Week 7: TBOL 50mgs
use liver protectants like Liv52 and Milk thristle.

lol

 

[hormoneman]

lol

He wanted oral cycles using tbol and anavar - I suggested 2 - what's your problem

 

[ChemWiz]

I like a SARMS/Tbol combo, dry lean gains, I have never looked better. 3 weeks sarms,4 weeks tbol and finish with 3 weeks sarms. Pump the body full of BCAAs and you will like the resuklts.