If Romney gets the nod

[Headholio]

You can raise rates on the "wealthy" all you want but it doesn't change the trend line for fiscal collapse. As a matter of fact, allowing the Obama tax cuts on those making less than 250k a year will raise more revenue than allowing them to only expire on those making more than 250k a year.

You are right, of course it will. you can get revenue from the middle class, but Dems don't want to do that, because they think (correctly) that it will hurt the economy. Republicans pretend that they don't want to do it either, but then come up with a revenue generating suggestion to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, which would be a huge tax on the middle class. Can't touch one buck of the historically undertaxed multimillionaires though!

I enjoy the "wealth disparity" argument used by the progressives. You can reference my previous article about the benefits provided by employers accounting for almost an additional six dollars per hour for the average employee that isn't considered when they make arguments.

It's really hard to figure out where you are coming from. 6 bucks an hour What's the point? CEOs make 20 thousand or 50 thousand bucks AN HOUR. You think throwing your 6 bucks into the equation changes the balance?

[/quote]The feds historically get about 19% of GDP in income taxes no matter the rates...Hell, most people don't itemize because they don't have enough deductions to make a difference. If you want the rich to pay their "fair share" then you should support a flat tax, eliminate the double corporate tax (no capital gains) and modify the 16th Amendment to preclude deductions.[/quote]

A tax based on consumption instead of income might work ok. Flat tax, eh maybe. Elimination of some deductions, sure. There are lots of ways to improve the tax system, but we might not agree on how to best do it
Capital gains is the primary way that many millionaires make money. Capital gains should be treated like other income and taxed progressively IMO. A middle class guy could have some incentive to invest with lower capital gains tax, but multi millionaires who push buttons, makes trades and racks up millions should be taxed at the top rate for regular income. It is a myth that that kind of wealth generation is productive or helpful to the American economy. What would be helpful is to tax it appropriately.

 

[binö]

Bino, republican efforts to suppress votes is not controversial, its a fact. It's not even surprising. Politicians try to win. Republicans have better chance if they suppress minority, young and elderly votes.
ID requirements seem reasonable but the facts are this:

A survey by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law found that 11 percent of citizens, 21 million people, do not have a current photo ID. That fraction increases to 15 percent of low-income voting-age citizens, 18 percent of young eligible voters and 25 percent of black eligible voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/opinion/27wed1.html

You think evil geniuses like Carl Rove don't know this and won't try to capitalize on it?
No biggie Bino, Republicans are trying to suppress the vote. Get a grip on that.
The Deprtment of Justice already recognized South CArolia GOP voter laws at a vote suppression effort:

In its first decision on the laws, Justice’s Civil Rights Division said South Carolina’s statute is discriminatory because its registered minority voters are nearly 20 percent more likely than whites to lack a state-issued photo ID. Under the 1965 Voting Rights Act, South Carolina is one of a number of states that are required to receive federal “pre-clearance” on voting changes to ensure that they don’t hurt minorities’ political power.

Political Animal - Justice Dept. targets SC voter-ID law

The justification for the GOP efforts is voter fraud, and when I say it is a non-issue, you should know by now that I would never BS you. It is a non issue.

Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

of course the NYT is not gonna find instances of voter fraud, the are a DNC mouthpiece!
So you believe ID requirements are unreasonable because of the intentions of the requirements (racism, suppression,etc)...well i believe otherwise and thankfully a large portion of mature adults do as well, notice all the laws springing up to belie this.
IMO the 21 million who supposedly do not have ID (not sure how this is possible i'm suspect...you can't do much without an ID I bet the really do have one but for the sake of the poll they don't) do not deserve to vote...if you lack the intelligence to apply for a ID then you lack the intelligence to make a sound vote.
no wonder the DNC is fighting so desperatly for this sorta voter, it is their bread and butter base (dumb as fuck and completely needy and mindless).
lol again at quoting the nyt, while a few posts later taking digs at rush limbaugh.

 

[youpissmeoff]

Raising rates at the top is what makes sense and is what has historically worked. "The good old days" (30's, 40's 50's, 60's 70's, take your pick) Taxes for the top bracket were 60-90 percent, the country was stronger, people still had a chance for upward mobility,economy was strong, the middle class was strong, the rich were still rich. Progressive taxation is part of what made America great. This Right wing experiment to pander to the rich is a failure.

You need to go back and study the late 70's early 80's if you think this nation was stronger.

Top tax was 60%
Interest rates were around 15%
Unemployment was aroud 8%
and the Dow Jones was at a whopping 780 pt vs todays 12,000 pt

AND... our national defense was on a terible decline. Is this the strong nation you are referring to??

Now look at our tax revenue as a % of GDP since we started cutting marginal tax rates.

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Hmmmm.. they say a picture is worth a 1,000 words. Wonder why our our Revenue as a percent of GDP rose above and stayed above 30% after we started cutting tax rates??

Add to this a much more mobile society today. You raise taxes to 70% and almost every billionaire in this country will move his residence to a sandy beach location with at 25% tax rate or lower.

Ask yourself this, do you really think this is the best for the economy or, like the current administration, do you really just want to fight a class warfare battle??

 

[Headholio]

of course the NYT is not gonna find instances of voter fraud, the are a DNC mouthpiece!
So you believe ID requirements are unreasonable because of the intentions of the requirements (racism, suppression,etc)...well i believe otherwise and thankfully a large portion of mature adults do as well, notice all the laws springing up to belie this.
IMO the 21 million who supposedly do not have ID (not sure how this is possible i'm suspect...you can't do much without an ID I bet the really do have one but for the sake of the poll they don't) do not deserve to vote...if you lack the intelligence to apply for a ID then you lack the intelligence to make a sound vote.
no wonder the DNC is fighting so desperatly for this sorta voter, it is their bread and butter base (dumb as fuck and completely needy and mindless).
lol again at quoting the nyt, while a few posts later taking digs at rush limbaugh.

It is a surprising number of people who don't have photo ID, but facts are facts. If you didn't drive, would you have one?
Lots of people don't drive.
The other fact is that it is illegal to make a law that has a discriminatory effect on voting. If you believe in anything of what America stands for, then you would have to agree with that. If you don't, maybe I should call you Baghdad Bob?

And the NY Times is a reputable newspaper. It's really hard for any fox watcher to have any credibility when criticizing sources, but if anything I post is untrue, just prove it. You should have noticed by now that I only deal in the truth.

 

[Mr. dB]

I have problems with my own analysis, mostly fear that I'm overestimating Santorum. But he had a few good speeches this week, and with Batlady gone and Perry in the dumpster, Santorum and Gingrich well get all the not-Romney votes from the GOP faithful. Paul will continue to draw his fringe element ~20%. Since Gingrich is unelectable, Santorum is left by default as "the best of the rest".

Watching Gingrich getting all bitter and petulent after Iowa has been amusing. When he comes out swinging against Romney it will just seem mean and vindictive.

I think I HAVE overestimated the strength of the anyone-but-Romney faction. I guess there are just enough adults in the party to realize that the Romney inevitability is the only hope the party has.

 

[binö]

It is a surprising number of people who don't have photo ID, but facts are facts. If you didn't drive, would you have one?
Lots of people don't drive.
The other fact is that it is illegal to make a law that has a discriminatory effect on voting. If you believe in anything of what America stands for, then you would have to agree with that. If you don't, maybe I should call you Baghdad Bob?

And the NY Times is a reputable newspaper. It's really hard for any fox watcher to have any credibility when criticizing sources, but if anything I post is untrue, just prove it. You should have noticed by now that I only deal in the truth.

if i didn't drive i would still need a photo ID to:
-open a bank account
-purchase booze or tobacco
-fly on a jet
-book a hotel room
-enter a casino
many reasons why people need a photo ID, those that don't most likely:
-are illegally here and inclined to vote in favor of your entitlement driven politics.
that sir is the facts...and while i freely admit that Fox news has a rightward slant (although i see more left leaning journalists at fox than right leaning ones at the various left wing news sources such as huff po, nyt, msnbc, etc) you and your leftist buddies have a terribly hard time admitting that such media outlets as the NYT are terribly slanted in their favor...my guess is by claiming they are non-biased, but goose stepping perfectly aligned with your politics, you can claim that non-biased media favors your viewpoint.
which leads me to believe, that although you appear to be a good intelligent bro, you deal far more in left wing politics than you do truth.
amazing to me that a supposed petro employee is so in love with the party that demonizes and scorns your industry so...i'm suspicious to be qutie honest

 

[mrplunkey]

Raising rates at the top is what makes sense and is what has historically worked. "The good old days" (30's, 40's 50's, 60's 70's, take your pick) Taxes for the top bracket were 60-90 percent, the country was stronger, people still had a chance for upward mobility,economy was strong, the middle class was strong, the rich were still rich. Progressive taxation is part of what made America great. This Right wing experiment to pander to the rich is a failure.

Yeah, an "historically" we were much less regulated and riddled with litigation too.

You sure are talented to be able to regress 80 years of American history and attribute our ridiculous tax code as "part of what made America great". We became a world superpower despite our confiscatory taxation system -- not due to it.

 

[binö]

I think I HAVE overestimated the strength of the anyone-but-Romney faction. I guess there are just enough adults in the party to realize that the Romney inevitability is the only hope the party has.

the sooner the support for romney consolidates behind him the better, a ron paul 3rd party run is what i fear.
without that, i predict a solid romney win, meager improvement in the next 4 yrs, followed by a hard hill clinton run in 2016.

 

[mrplunkey]

if i didn't drive i would still need a photo ID to:
-open a bank account
-purchase booze or tobacco
-fly on a jet
-book a hotel room
-enter a casino
many reasons why people need a photo ID, those that don't most likely:
-are illegally here and inclined to vote in favor of your entitlement driven politics.
that sir is the facts...and while i freely admit that Fox news has a rightward slant (although i see more left leaning journalists at fox than right leaning ones at the various left wing news sources such as huff po, nyt, msnbc, etc) you and your leftist buddies have a terribly hard time admitting that such media outlets as the NYT are terribly slanted in their favor...my guess is by claiming they are non-biased, but goose stepping perfectly aligned with your politics, you can claim that non-biased media favors your viewpoint.
which leads me to believe, that although you appear to be a good intelligent bro, you deal far more in left wing politics than you do truth.
amazing to me that a supposed petro employee is so in love with the party that demonizes and scorns your industry so...i'm suspicious to be qutie honest

I have often wondered if there was a Lestat = Headholio = Round Brown connection.

Similarly, I've wondered if Ledhead = Redsam too, but that's more of a stretch.

 

[Headholio]

You need to go back and study the late 70's early 80's if you think this nation was stronger.

Top tax was 60%
Interest rates were around 15%
Unemployment was aroud 8%
and the Dow Jones was at a whopping 780 pt vs todays 12,000 pt

AND... our national defense was on a terible decline. Is this the strong nation you are referring to??

You are referencing the recession of that time, but to answer your question, yes the country was stronger during that recession than it is currently during the second great republican depression.

Now look at our tax revenue as a % of GDP since we started cutting marginal tax rates.

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Hmmmm.. they say a picture is worth a 1,000 words. Wonder why our our Revenue as a percent of GDP rose above and stayed above 30% after we started cutting tax rates??

You republicans crack me up. you're so hung up on your beliefs you can look at a graph that completely contradicts your beliefs and see exactly what you want to see. The graph shows steady increases in percentage all the back through 1900. It didn't even dip during the great depression. It rose through super high taxation oafter the depression and through world war 2. It seems the only thing that could make that graph dip was GW Bush in 2000!! Whatever point you want that graph to make, it fails to make it.

Add to this a much more mobile society today. You raise taxes to 70% and almost every billionaire in this country will move his residence to a sandy beach location with at 25% tax rate or lower.

They didn't move before and they won't move now. The whole point you need to understand is that worrying about pleasing the rich is exactly what we don't need to be doing.

Ask yourself this, do you really think this is the best for the economy or, like the current administration, do you really just want to fight a class warfare battle??

It amazes me that you are serious. The class warfare is being fought by the right wing millionaires and they are winning. Since Reagan's trickle down fiasco, the wealth gap has grown exponentially, and middle class wages have remained flat. Republicans love two word slogans but you need to come up with something more substantive than "class warfare". It doesn't even make sense. If you think Obama is fighting class warfare, then obviously, every other President with higher tax rates was also fighting class warfare, which includes every Republican and Democratic president since the first republican great depression of the 30's, except Reagan. Reagan chose debt creation instead of taxation.

 

[Headholio]

a few posts later taking digs at rush limbaugh.

Hey Bino, all I said was liar and drug addict. You said Limbaugh

 

[Headholio]

if i didn't drive i would still need a photo ID to:
-open a bank account
-purchase booze or tobacco
-fly on a jet
-book a hotel room
-enter a casino
many reasons why people need a photo ID, those that don't most likely:
-are illegally here and inclined to vote in favor of your entitlement driven politics.

Yes I have to admit I couldn't live without a picture ID, and it is hard to imagine how people do it. But illegals weren't part of that statistic. Those were all citizens. And it doesn't really matter if some snobs, racists, and and fear mongering xenophobes consider those people to be dirt bags or not. They are Americans.

amazing to me that a supposed petro employee is so in love with the party that demonizes and scorns your industry so...i'm suspicious to be qutie honest

Yes, I am an enigma. But, I am an engineer in the oil and gas industry. Amazing huh? I must admit the vast majority of people I deal with are misinformed right wing red necks. I spend a lot of time in oil fields in CO, TX and WY. But who knows, maybe I'll enlighten all those red necks one of these days. They'd be much better off if they voted democratic. And by the way, democrats like oil too.

 

[Headholio]

Yeah, an "historically" we were much less regulated and riddled with litigation too.

You sure are talented to be able to regress 80 years of American history and attribute our ridiculous tax code as "part of what made America great". We became a world superpower despite our confiscatory taxation system -- not due to it.

Hey Plunkster, you need to look at it this way; there is no evidence to say that higher taxes would stifle the economy. Even if you want to argue that higher taxes didn't create prosperity (which I think that it can), it is obvious that higher taxes, even much, much, much higher taxes than we have now, are not contradictory to economic growth or prosperity.

So think about that when you listen to Fox and they are whining about socialism and that other two word slogan "job creators" because Obama suggests 39% top rate compared to higher rates under Republicans GHW Bush, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, etc.

 

[mrplunkey]

Hey Plunkster, you need to look at it this way; there is no evidence to say that higher taxes would stifle the economy. Even if you want to argue that higher taxes didn't create prosperity (which I think that it can), it is obvious that higher taxes, even much, much, much higher taxes than we have now, are not contradictory to economic growth or prosperity.

So think about that when you listen to Fox and they are whining about socialism and that other two word slogan "job creators" because Obama suggests 39% top rate compared to higher rates under Republicans GHW Bush, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, etc.

There's plenty of evidence that taxes stifle the economy.

$1 that is confiscated by the government is $1 that can't be spent by private enterprise. That's direct evidence. Or are you going to argue that me taking $20 from you won't make you $20 poorer?

The only debate is whether you believe the government makes better decisions spending that $1 than the private sector does. And that should be an obvious answer.

 

[binö]

Yes I have to admit I couldn't live without a picture ID, and it is hard to imagine how people do it. But illegals weren't part of that statistic. Those were all citizens. And it doesn't really matter if some snobs, racists, and and fear mongering xenophobes consider those people to be dirt bags or not. They are Americans.




Yes, I am an enigma. But, I am an engineer in the oil and gas industry. Amazing huh? I must admit the vast majority of people I deal with are misinformed right wing red necks. I spend a lot of time in oil fields in CO, TX and WY. But who knows, maybe I'll enlighten all those red necks one of these days. They'd be much better off if they voted democratic. And by the way, democrats like oil too.

bolded is dem code speak for white folks who don't meet their aire of sophistication and economic standards...amazing how one can be so opposed to racism and intolerance yet express the same sentiments in the same post.
and it doesn't surprize me that you are a engineer, you seem like a smart bro....

 

[-SD-]

The White Male is the last demographic of 100% penalty free bashing

 

[binö]

The White Male is the last demographic of 100% penalty free bashing

obviously they deserve it since they are inherently racist (unless the plead loyality to the liberal cause, then they are all good).

 

[PICK3]

Analysis: Romney tax plan would most benefit wealthy

Read more here: Analysis: Romney tax plan would most benefit wealthy | McClatchy

 

[javaguru]

You are right, of course it will. you can get revenue from the middle class, but Dems don't want to do that, because they think (correctly) that it will hurt the economy. Republicans pretend that they don't want to do it either, but then come up with a revenue generating suggestion to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, which would be a huge tax on the middle class. Can't touch one buck of the historically undertaxed multimillionaires though!



It's really hard to figure out where you are coming from. 6 bucks an hour What's the point? CEOs make 20 thousand or 50 thousand bucks AN HOUR. You think throwing your 6 bucks into the equation changes the balance?

The feds historically get about 19% of GDP in income taxes no matter the rates...Hell, most people don't itemize because they don't have enough deductions to make a difference. If you want the rich to pay their "fair share" then you should support a flat tax, eliminate the double corporate tax (no capital gains) and modify the 16th Amendment to preclude deductions.[/quote]

A tax based on consumption instead of income might work ok. Flat tax, eh maybe. Elimination of some deductions, sure. There are lots of ways to improve the tax system, but we might not agree on how to best do it
Capital gains is the primary way that many millionaires make money. Capital gains should be treated like other income and taxed progressively IMO. A middle class guy could have some incentive to invest with lower capital gains tax, but multi millionaires who push buttons, makes trades and racks up millions should be taxed at the top rate for regular income. It is a myth that that kind of wealth generation is productive or helpful to the American economy. What would be helpful is to tax it appropriately.[/QUOTE]

Most people don't itemize which means they don't take the mortgage deduction; The wealthy get the deduction. In New Jersey middle class homeowners pay thousands of dollars per year in property tax for a modest house on an acre of land. Jon Bon Jovi owns a 100 acres estate next door and thanks to his farming deduction, he has a handful of beehives that produce "organic honey" so he pays less property tax than his neighbors. There shouldn't be deductions, pick a tax rate and everyone pays it regardless of their political connections. Barry hates oil subsidies and so do I but he loves green energy subsidies...I have no problem with capital gains being taxed as regular income as long as you eliminate corporate tax, you're double taxing people. It would not only create an incentive for corporations to invest in the United States it would create more wealth for all those union pension plans.


In law school I took personal income tax, partnership tax, and corporate tax while specializing in corporate law so I had unfortunately chosen a path that wasted a bunch of my time studying tax codes that shouldn't exist.

As far as wages are concerned, I have serious issues with ceo's running corporations into the ground and escaping with golden parachutes but it's disingenuous to claim workers are getting screwed and wages have been stagnant since the 1970's.

 

[Headholio]

There's plenty of evidence that taxes stifle the economy.

$1 that is confiscated by the government is $1 that can't be spent by private enterprise. That's direct evidence. Or are you going to argue that me taking $20 from you won't make you $20 poorer?

The only debate is whether you believe the government makes better decisions spending that $1 than the private sector does. And that should be an obvious answer.

This is truly funny. You apparently know nothing about economics, and teaching you would be quite tiresome, but you would probably learn a lot by reading this CBO report, especially page 29.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9967/01-27-StateofEconomy_Testimony.pdf#page=29

I hope a CBO report isn't too liberal a source for Bino .

Anyway, I have a friend who is a millionaire, who made his money starting a paving company, and now does 100% government jobs, paving military runways, and some highway projects. He's Republican as hell, and only gets irritated if I ask him about the rightie BS line about how the government can't create jobs.
He employs hundreds of people. Those people spend their money in private businesses. Those private businesses make profit and spend their money in other businesses. And it all started with Government dough. But, shit, here I go giving you economics 101 right after I said I wouldn't. Start reading the CBO document Plunkey.

 

[mrplunkey]

This is truly funny. You apparently know nothing about economics, and teaching you would be quite tiresome, but you would probably learn a lot by reading this CBO report, especially page 29.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9967/01-27-StateofEconomy_Testimony.pdf#page=29

I hope a CBO report isn't too liberal a source for Bino .

Anyway, I have a friend who is a millionaire, who made his money starting a paving company, and now does 100% government jobs, paving military runways, and some highway projects. He's Republican as hell, and only gets irritated if I ask him about the rightie BS line about how the government can't create jobs.
He employs hundreds of people. Those people spend their money in private businesses. Those private businesses make profit and spend their money in other businesses. And it all started with Government dough. But, shit, here I go giving you economics 101 right after I said I wouldn't. Start reading the CBO document Plunkey.

So you clearly fall into the libtard group that believes the government can spend working people's money better than they can.

 

[Headholio]

I have often wondered if there was a Lestat = Headholio = Round Brown connection.

Similarly, I've wondered if Ledhead = Redsam too, but that's more of a stretch.

I'm not anyone else, and I'm surprised that my witty and intelligent style does not strike you as unique

Lestat is the name of the vampire in Ann Rice's "Interview with a Vampire". Did you know that?
I just read it.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm not anyone else, and I'm surprised that my witty and intelligent style does not strike you as unique

Lestat is the name of the vampire in Ann Rice's "Interview with a Vampire". Did you know that?
I just read it.

Redsam thinks he's really smart too!

 

[Headholio]

So you clearly fall into the libtard group that believes the government can spend working people's money better than they can.

Educate yourself Plunkey. You didn't read yet.

Now, the example of my paving buddy describes perfectly how tax money can stimulate the economy. I'm sorry if you don't follow, but lets take it a little further.

Let's say my buddy made $20 million bucks last year personal income. Let's say he has 100 million bucks in total assets.
Now, Obama wants to raise his taxes 4%, so he would pay $800,000 additional tax.
The question is, if he kept his 800k would that change his spending habits at all?
What would the government do with that money? Employee a few people in government jobs? Fund an infrastructure project like a bridge that would be awarded to a private company? Fund more student loans and scholarships?

The concentration of wealth at the top is an obvious problem most people can see. Sorry if you can't.

You make it sound like all taxation is equivalent to thievery. What is your belief?

 

[Headholio]

bolded is dem code speak for white folks who don't meet their aire of sophistication and economic standards...amazing how one can be so opposed to racism and intolerance yet express the same sentiments in the same post.
and it doesn't surprize me that you are a engineer, you seem like a smart bro....

You don't like the term redneck? Ha Bino, sorry but sometimes it fits. And stereotyping a kind of voter in a political party didn't seem to be any problem for you earlier:

dumb as fuck and completely needy and mindless

But anyway let me describe a situation and you tell me what word you would use.
This is a typical meeting I would be in at a Texas gas processing facility:

-13 pick up trucks parked in the mud outside
-workers around a table all wearing camouflage caps, jackets, etc. All with southern accents (they can't help that but still)
- Wallpaper on all their laptops, and on the operating computer monitors, of dead animals; their latest kills.
- When the discussion diverts from work it is endless boring stories about hunting or fishing.
- Inevitably, someone brings up politics, Obama, socialism, Kenya, birth certificate, muslim and all that BS.
- As I hear all this retardation, I look around the room and see 13 camouflage caps nodding up and down in agreement.

Now, does the term redneck come to mind

 

[mrplunkey]

Educate yourself Plunkey. You didn't read yet.

Now, the example of my paving buddy describes perfectly how tax money can stimulate the economy. I'm sorry if you don't follow, but lets take it a little further.

Let's say my buddy made $20 million bucks last year personal income. Let's say he has 100 million bucks in total assets.
Now, Obama wants to raise his taxes 4%, so he would pay $800,000 additional tax.
The question is, if he kept his 800k would that change his spending habits at all?
What would the government do with that money? Employee a few people in government jobs? Fund an infrastructure project like a bridge that would be awarded to a private company? Fund more student loans and scholarships?

The concentration of wealth at the top is an obvious problem most people can see. Sorry if you can't.

You make it sound like all taxation is equivalent to thievery. What is your belief?

And the government can also use the money to:

- Waste more money on the next Solyndra
- Purchase more semiautomatic rifles to be illegally funneled into Mexico
- Run-up the cost of college degrees by creating a bubble through government loans and grants
- Funnel cash into teachers unions thereby perpetuating generations of uneducated, unqualified and unmotivated graduates who can't read their own diplomas
- Subsidize lifestyles based entirely on government dependency
- Fund the IMF so we can be drug into European bailouts even if US voters are against it
- Mismanage Medicare dollars to create perverse incentives for doctors and hospitals
- Fuel the length of unemployment by extending benefits for ridiculous (99 weeks) time frames
- Create artificial markets for high-risk mortgage portfolios
- Add military bases in Australia
- Dump money into the UN so we can support its widescale corruption and broadly-acknowledged impotence
- Mismanage the approval and regulation of drugs through an antiquated Food and Drug Agency

... and the list goes on and on.

So all things being equal, I'd rather take my chances leaving that $800k in you "buddy"'s pocket.

 

[Headholio]

The White Male is the last demographic of 100% penalty free bashing

I keep hearing about the plight of the white man. Another Fox news brainwashing signal.
Yeah things are really getting tough for us white folks aren't they lol

 

[mrplunkey]

I keep hearing about the plight of the white man. Another Fox news brainwashing signal.
Yeah things are really getting tough for us white folks aren't they lol

Thanks to Barry, things are much tougher on everyone except those politically-connected to his gravy train.

 

[wootoom]

whos your president anyways?

 

[binö]

I keep hearing about the plight of the white man. Another Fox news brainwashing signal.
Yeah things are really getting tough for us white folks aren't they lol

there are more unemployed white folks in this country than any other races combined so yea the white man is hurting right now.
and since they make up the backbone of our economic system, therefore the whole country is hurting because of it.
and fox news=nyt, really little difference except the slant

 

[Mr. dB]

Thanks to Barry, things are much tougher on everyone except those politically-connected to his gravy train.

Things are tougher now than they were during Bush's second term???

 

[binö]

Things are tougher now than they were during Bush's second term???

uneqovically without a doubt

 

[AFeedz]

Boo Hoo.

R: I can't believe you call people names, you libtard fuck.
D: I can't believe you call people names, you right wing red neck.

The problem with our country and government has nothing to do with who's president right now or who will be next year, because nothing is going to get fixed no matter who our supposed leader is when the real problem is that both sides are overflowing with extremists and adopting radical views in an effort to be as different from the other as possible. The problem is both sides are so busy hating the other side, they've become more focused on discrediting and beating their competitors... and it's not because either side cares anymore about the country, our beliefs or what's best, it's because they want to say their side won.

If you guys, and everybody for that matter, would stop fucking worrying what damn label we threw on the leader of the country, maybe we could meet in the middle, take a little from here and a little from there and get on the right track.

It's ridiculous that as voters we have to vote for the lesser evil instead of the greater good because some old men are too busy with their pissing contest.

 

[cindylou]

I asked Siri if she was a liberal and she told me she didn't like arbitrary labels

 

[AFeedz]

I asked Siri if she was a liberal and she told me she didn't like arbitrary labels

I'm Siri!

 

[-SD-]

Siri's an incompetent bish. I asked where I could get weed and she didnt know

 

[miplank]

really..siri locates the closest dispensary when you ask her that.

 

[cindylou]

I asked her what she was wearing and she asked why everyone asked her that. lol

 

[miplank]

ask her what color panties she has on

 

[wootoom]

They should bring the Politburo in

 

[binö]

Boo Hoo.

R: I can't believe you call people names, you libtard fuck.
D: I can't believe you call people names, you right wing red neck.

The problem with our country and government has nothing to do with who's president right now or who will be next year, because nothing is going to get fixed no matter who our supposed leader is when the real problem is that both sides are overflowing with extremists and adopting radical views in an effort to be as different from the other as possible. The problem is both sides are so busy hating the other side, they've become more focused on discrediting and beating their competitors... and it's not because either side cares anymore about the country, our beliefs or what's best, it's because they want to say their side won.

If you guys, and everybody for that matter, would stop fucking worrying what damn label we threw on the leader of the country, maybe we could meet in the middle, take a little from here and a little from there and get on the right track.

It's ridiculous that as voters we have to vote for the lesser evil instead of the greater good because some old men are too busy with their pissing contest.

politics has always been like this nothing new...always been ugly business difference now is that it doesn't end in civil war or bloodshed.
obama was supposed to be above this sorta uglyness, he ran as a uniter not a divider, and the country is more divided than ever before...first step in reconcilliation is getting him the fuk outta office, then i thikn we'll see some improvement on relations

 

[AFeedz]

politics has always been like this nothing new...always been ugly business difference now is that it doesn't end in civil war or bloodshed.
obama was supposed to be above this sorta uglyness, he ran as a uniter not a divider, and the country is more divided than ever before...first step in reconcilliation is getting him the fuk outta office, then i thikn we'll see some improvement on relations

I'm not saying politics is ever going to be rainbows and marshmallows, but our country quite clearly is focused more on their side winning than they are on working with the other side to find an answer or test a solution. It's to the point that even when someone is elected, shit doesn't and will continue to not get done because we're too busy being angry at the other side.

...and Obama didn't further divide anybody. A clear change in mindset and further division between people was already evident during the 2008 campaign season before he was even elected.

Do you really mean if Obama was out, there'd be an improvement in relations? Or do you mean as long as he was out and someone from your side was in there'd be an improvement, as opposed to Obama being out but some other Democrat being in?

Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter who the fuck takes office right now. People are so focused on the name of the party, they'd rather force whoever's in office to accomplish nothing than allow them to accomplish anything and see if it works and that goes for whoever wins in 2012, liberal or conservative.

 

[miplank]

You don't know shit

 

[binö]

I'm not saying politics is ever going to be rainbows and marshmallows, but our country quite clearly is focused more on their side winning than they are on working with the other side to find an answer or test a solution. It's to the point that even when someone is elected, shit doesn't and will continue to not get done because we're too busy being angry at the other side.

...and Obama didn't further divide anybody. A clear change in mindset and further division between people was already evident during the 2008 campaign season before he was even elected.

Do you really mean if Obama was out, there'd be an improvement in relations? Or do you mean as long as he was out and someone from your side was in there'd be an improvement, as opposed to Obama being out but some other Democrat being in? Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter who the fuck takes office right now. People are so focused on the name of the party, they'd rather force whoever's in office to accomplish nothing than allow them to accomplish anything and see if it works and that goes for whoever wins in 2012, liberal or conservative.

yes, i think a more experienced politican knows how to work with the other side...obama from the get go has been completely inept in this dept, and no wonder he never got the seasoning that comes with a lengthy policital background...like bill clinton, being a gov of a heavy GOP state, or romney, being a a gov in a heavy lib state...both have experience in working with the other side to reach a compromise and make gov work, obama clearly does not posess that skill...if a reasonable dem ran in 2016, i could def be persuaded to vote that way, esp if romney's bid doesn't work out.

 

[AFeedz]

yes, i think a more experienced politican knows how to work with the other side...obama from the get go has been completely inept in this dept, and no wonder he never got the seasoning that comes with a lengthy policital background...like bill clinton, being a gov of a heavy GOP state, or romney, being a a gov in a heavy lib state...both have experience in working with the other side to reach a compromise and make gov work, obama clearly does not posess that skill...if a reasonable dem ran in 2016, i could def be persuaded to vote that way, esp if romney's bid doesn't work out.

just checking.

good answer.