i gained 12lbs in a just over a month, here's how

[Godly1]

first off, it's not impossible. it just seems that way if you haven't found the right way to train. everyones body is different and will react differently to certain exercise routines. i posted this thread so that if there were any other hard gainers out there that are about the same age and build that i am(22years old, 5"10" 150lbs before weight) then they might be able to benefit from the method that i've used. i'm not looking for congratulations or respect from the other board members.

second, i think a've mentioned it before but i'll say it again. my b/f % is the same as it was when i began.

and last, creatine is not cheating IN MY OPINION. there is a completly visible line between legal and illegal substances. illegal substances are proven to be unsafe or unhealthy. or NOT proven otherwise. legal substances on the other hand are proven to be benificial to ones health, or at least, not damaging to ones health. for those of us that choose not to use gear it is a health decision. CREATINE on the other hand is good for you. not to mention the fact that it's found in natural foods. but it also has been proven to lower bad cholesterol, decreases stress to your heart, and increases muscle memory. it also helps performance in high tempatures, and increases the effect of carb-loading before athletic events.

as for the weight gainer? yes, it's a weight gainer alright. it's also packed with 52 grams of protein! funny thing is that i didn't have any results from other brands. but once i started taking N-Large i noticed a difference.

oh yeah, the 4 lbs of water weight from the creatine is ACTUALLY anywhere from 2-5 lbs IF you're taking 20 grams a day(loading phase) i skipped the loading phase.

 

[TakeOFF]

What im trying to explain is what u gained..

12lbs is good, but u will not get 12lbs of muscle in one month.

First how do u know ur bf did not change.. 2lbs will not be visible...

AND WHEN U SAY CREATINE IS GOOD FOR YOU! LOL!!!
who told u all that? its bull shit..
no one knows about the long-term side effects
like:
kidney damaging
kidney stones...
its all about moderation.. you will never get 10g of creatine in food every day!!
you dont know what u are talking about so don't make people think its good for their health..
AND creatine cuz water retention. u gained at least 4 lbs of water loading or not!
for the muscle mass u gained its newbie gain and maybe some muscle memory and hard work! thats all..

Grats for the hard work and for what u gained but im just telling u that if u think u can gain 12lbs of good mass in one month u kiddin yourself.. gain are slow! enjoy lifthing weight!! that'all im saying
hard gainer should expect 1 or 2 lbs a month.. and be happy with that!

 

[Godly1]

listen. creatine has been PROVEN by medical studies to lower bad cholesterol! doctors are informing their patients of the advantages of taking creatine. and as a preparation for open heart surgery surgeons are telling their patients to load up on creatine. of course you won't get 10grams of it in your normal diet, that's why when you buy it off the shelf it's called a SUPPLEMENT, not an ingredient. these benifits of taking creatine have been proven by DOCTORS doing ACTUAL MEDICAL TESTS. these tests and studies are printed in medical periodicals and sent out to doctors all over the world. shit, if you don't believe me, then go ask a few doctors and heart surgeons about it. or how about reading something other than flex or musclemag for a change. hell, maybe you'll learn something.

and about my body fat... i wouldn't have posted my percentage if i didn't ACTUALLY have it tested. when i started out it was 9.87% and now it is 10.23%. tested on the same machine, the same time of day. what else would you like to know?

now i realize these gains will not last forever. but maybe you skipped the part that said i was working out before with NO results. then about 5 weeks ago i changed my routine and started the supplements. the way i work my bodyparts now i have found to be the best for me because i have the most energy remaining to hit each muscle group. i used to work chest and tri's on the same day. but by the time i finished my chest then my tri's were too smoked to go very hard.(because the tri's are a secondary muscle in most chest exercises.) and the supplements are great. just try them out and you will see.

 

[Grizzly]

i started working out the first of october. after about a year off. no real results till the november when i started going harder.
150lbs the begining of november now i'm 162lbs (and still gaining)

Well, there's the answer to why you gained the weight that you did. It's because you're a beginner and you just started hitting it hard. That's the beauty of being a beginner. Now you know why you were able to make this claim on the "Why be natural" thread. Of course, you didn't need any juice to do that. You're body is complete in shock. Give it a couple of years and then come back and talk to me. See if you can pull it off again.

 

[Grizzly]

and last, creatine is not cheating IN MY OPINION. there is a completly visible line between legal and illegal substances. illegal substances are proven to be unsafe or unhealthy. or NOT proven otherwise. legal substances on the other hand are proven to be benificial to ones health, or at least, not damaging to ones health. for those of us that choose not to use gear it is a health decision.

Obviously you didn't fully think through the terms of your definition. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal substances, but they sure as hell aren't beneficial to your health and they're definitely deleterious to one's health. On the other hand, steroids have both pros and cons as far as your health is concerned. Sort of like aspirin.

 

[Grizzly]

i used to work chest and tri's on the same day. but by the time i finished my chest then my tri's were too smoked to go very hard.(because the tri's are a secondary muscle in most chest exercises.) and the supplements are great. just try them out and you will see.

I just caught that. Actually, depending on grip, tris are the primary mover in pressing movements. If you use a narrower grip, your tris and the primary mover and if you use a wider grip the delts are the primary mover. That's the weird thing about bench presses. They're a great chest exercise, but the chest is never the primary mover. Weird, huh?

 

[Godly1]

I just caught that. Actually, depending on grip, tris are the primary mover in pressing movements. If you use a narrower grip, your tris and the primary mover and if you use a wider grip the delts are the primary mover. That's the weird thing about bench presses. They're a great chest exercise, but the chest is never the primary mover. Weird, huh?

you're right, tri's do a lot of work when you're pressing. they're not the primary on ALL pressing exercises though unless you isolate the muscle during the movement.

as for the cigs and alcohol? there is so much dependancy on theses substances in the US that the goverment has found from past experiences that it is easier to tax the items instead of ban them. hell, if they're going to be in circulation then the government might as well make some money off of it right?

and yes, i am still considered a beginner. what i was saying though is that with my old plan that i was using in october, and when i worked out before i used that same routine, i never gained an ounce. now i switched my routine, started the supps and i'm on my way. obviously i'm not trying to be the next Mr Olympia, so there is no need for me to juice.

and when my gains slow down too much then i will come up with another routine and see how it works. my friend once told me to rotate my routine every two weeks to avoid hitting plateaus. and he went from about 150lbs to 205lbs in about 2 years. now either he wasn't a hard gainer or he knew a lot about working out. but because of that i will always remember the info he gave me and apply it to my workout. not all of his tips will apply to me but it's worth a try to find out. i know it worked for him.

 

[Godly1]

and that's all i'm gonna say tonight. i'm tired, so i'm going to bed. long leg day at the gym. i just hope i can make it up the stairs.

 

[Grizzly]

as for the cigs and alcohol? there is so much dependancy on theses substances in the US that the goverment has found from past experiences that it is easier to tax the items instead of ban them. hell, if they're going to be in circulation then the government might as well make some money off of it right?

Technically, my point was just to show you the ineficiency of your delineation between good/bad and legal/illegal. And now, you've brought up a good parallel. Why not just tax juice? People are going to do it anyway. Isn't the internet/gym thug drug scene the same thing as the bootleggers during prohibition? Of course, we're still left with the original fact that just because it's legal doesn't make it good for you and vice versa.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Technically, my point was just to show you the ineficiency of your delineation between good/bad and legal/illegal. And now, you've brought up a good parallel. Why not just tax juice? People are going to do it anyway. Isn't the internet/gym thug drug scene the same thing as the bootleggers during prohibition? Of course, we're still left with the original fact that just because it's legal doesn't make it good for you and vice versa.

The situation is not quite analogous. Steroids are prescription medications--though many of the illegal ones are veterinary drugs or are unapproved in the US. The government is not going to allow people to self-medicate and simply tax the drugs; not with things like prozac and oxycontin, and not with steroids. Making steroids a schedule-III drug was, however, a prohibition-like move.