How Do Homosexuals Feel About Homophobes?

[john937]

Ok, so in a different situation, would it be "OK" or more importantly APPROPRIATE for a group of male chorus singers to call themselves the "Omaha Straight Men's Choir"??????? Especially, if they only admitted 'straight men' into the choir and only sung to straight audiences?

It already exists, it's call the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

 

[GinNJuice]

It already exists, it's call the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

LOL....

.... Do you get where I'm going with this? You weren't having sex on stage, and you weren't singing about gay issues, so it doesn't seem appropriate to add "Gay" in your title...

Unless, you agree with Hans that it was "a social organistion for people to mix with their own type"..... is that the case?

 

[dballer]

Well probably because it was a social organistion for people to mix with their own type. [/B]

Isn't this a bad thing nowadays?????

 

[john937]

LOL....

.... Do you get where I'm going with this? You weren't having sex on stage, and you weren't singing about gay issues, so it doesn't seem appropriate to add "Gay" in your title...

Unless, you agree with Hans that it was "a social organistion for people to mix with their own type"..... is that the case?

There is a gay area of Dallas called Turtle Creek.
They have a gay men's chorus called "The Turtle Creek Chorale"
They are very good, but I don't go to see them.
It's a matter of "are you proud enough of who you are to be 'out' about it."
They say they left the gay word out so to focus more on the music.
I say they're closeted. There's no one consensus on this one.

Sounds like, according to your argument, if a group of Dallas men interested in gardening, were to get together evenings for drinks, talks, and presentations, that they shouldn't be called the "Dallas Men's Garden Club" because when they get together they don't actually garden.

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

I have a good question...why is that most gay people (and I know many) act more like women than most women do? It wouldn't bother me so much if they didn’t act so...girly. I mean it's like the ones I know are so damn feminine, and it's not because I KNOW they're gay, it's because they try so hard to act like a woman...it's kind of annoying.

 

[john937]

I have a good question...why is that most gay people (and I know many) act more like women than most women do?

We call 'em Queens, and there's a lot of gay people that don't like them anymore than you do.
Particularly when they effect speech mannerism's like "Miss thing!", "You go girl!".
But we'll put up with them if they give good blow jobs.

The gays that aren't butch are obvious, so you notice them.
The butch gay guy at the next workout station doesn't register a blip on your gaydar screen,
so you assume he's straight.
Most straight people believe they don't know any gay people. That's so mistaken.
Most gays put the percentage of the population at 10% but even if it's a conservative 5 percent:
Each gay person has two parents and probably a brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandfather, grandmother
That means 5%*7 relatives = 35% of the population have a close relative that is gay
not to mention coworkers, neighbors, doctors, barbers...

I'd also have to say, the acting girly is somewhat a regional thing. It's much more prevalent here in Texas than when I lived in California.
Same with drag shows, they're all over the place here in Texas. In California the only people that went to see drag shows were the tourists.

 

[GinNJuice]

There is a gay area of Dallas called Turtle Creek.
They have a gay men's chorus called "The Turtle Creek Chorale"
They are very good, but I don't go to see them.
It's a matter of "are you proud enough of who you are to be 'out' about it."
They say they left the gay word out so to focus more on the music.
I say they're closeted. There's no one consensus on this one.

Sounds like, according to your argument, if a group of Dallas men interested in gardening, were to get together evenings for drinks, talks, and presentations, that they shouldn't be called the "Dallas Men's Garden Club" because when they get together they don't actually garden.

The Turtle Creek Chorale IS very good. My wife's boss invited us about a year ago. In the presentation, it was obvious they they were gay, but it was also more obvious that they had 'focused on thier music'. It was entertaining and they didn't have to annouce their sexual orientation to sell the symphony hall out. I don't think that anyone WHO WAS GAY in the place was in the closet. But there were no drag queens either and there were many straight people too. They may not have gotten the symphony hall, had they had "Gay" in the title, but they did get the hall, and they had a great performance.

Garden Club....... Hmmm, do you think they would call themselves that if they were a singing group? But in your example, they might not actually garden, but the "talks, and presentations" would probably be about gardening, so there would be a logical connection with the name. If they didn't talk and present gardening issues, or actually garden, then it would not make any sense to call it the "Garden Club".

 

[john937]

They may not have gotten the symphony hall, had they had "Gay" in the title, .

Exactly.
Exactly why my chorus 20 years earlier found it important to put the word in there.
And yes we had to fight the legal battles in order to get the symphony halls, and the newpaper advertising,
and it was all worth it.
So that now 20 years later people can take it for granted.
And although I respect them for the quality of their music, I'm a bit P.O'd Turtle Creek didn't do the same, and the whole Texas gay climate lags behind what we did in SF.

 

[flexed1]

Hanz you are SOOO wrong. First off NOBODY bothers me period. never have never will. Its not a macho thing its a behavior and how i carry myself. Fact is even in gay bars I am asked are you gay? Should I change the way I act to better suit your image of gays? Should I walk around saying girl this and that> Know what if you knew me and I did that you would bust out. I am VERY secure with myself and don't need to act to draw attention and by the way yes gays do flaunt more than straights no question in my mind.

John yes stonewall happened and yes gays did get arrested for being gay and did in return throw bottles at cops. I was not there and to this day gay bars are still burned down and agys are still tormented and no its not right and its hate. but I will say if more of gays who are like Runner nad myself where represented people may not hate as much. That might not be right to say but when you cause attention to yourself as a group you get what you get.

 

[GinNJuice]

Exactly.
Exactly why my chorus 20 years earlier found it important to put the word in there.
And yes we had to fight the legal battles in order to get the symphony halls, and the newpaper advertising,
and it was all worth it.
So that now 20 years later people can take it for granted.

Oh, so you didn't do it for the music at all! From what you say, you were in the chours for the sole reason of fighting the political battles of gays. ......

Well, don't come on this site and complain and cry about not being able to sing in San Fransico, just because you were gay... Don't say that you were not allowed to sing....... that's not what you were doing at all! YOUR SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO SHOVE IT DOWN PEOPLES THROAT THAT YOU WERE GAY.... and you were fighting the political battle.

Now you won't support another group of gays just because they want to sing instead of making a political statement! That is pretty damn sad. That seems like gay discrimination to me.

I was hoping you would respond in the way that you did It shows what kind of person you really are.