How Do Homosexuals Feel About Homophobes?

[musclebrains]

LOL...yeah, but that's it. I don't suffer fools, Gin. And this is foolishness.

IF I lived my life the way you prescribe, I'd kill myself with boredom -- or I'd be carrying around a can of mace anticipating attack by all the people I'd identified as freaks. There's a reason I've had a very entertaining life and it's not because I accommodated fools.

 

[john937]

As I understand Gin's position, my gay chorus should not have had gay as part of our name,
and then when we advertised in the paper for a concert, the public would have no notice they were going to a gay oriented event.
I can just imagine Dballer and Gin walking into a gay themed party/concert/event unsuspecting.
"What the hell?"

 

[john937]

So, do you advocate that it is NEVER inappropriate to announce to strangers, whom you like to have sex with?

Do you have a problem with the band's name "Bare Naked Ladies" ? Isn't that obviously hetero?
Are you complaining P.Diddy's new album is called "I need a girl" ?
Is there any ambiguity about the sexual nature of nearly every rock video on MTV ?
I don't hear you complaining about them ?


Your wedding ring announces to the world you have sex with women.
Anytime your name is listed Mr. & Mrs. Gin&Juice you announce your heterosexuality to the world.
The pictures of your family on your office desk announce your heterosexuality to the office.
Your IRS filing status = Married filing jointly announces your status to the government.

On the most recent census, they asked questions down to the level of how many toilets do you have, and are you samoan.
But there was no category for gay. Like we don't even exist. Talk about devalued.

I have to make these accomodations every day.
There are no pictures on my desk.
I don't get to put momentos of the ones I love in my office. Because I don't want to risk offending my co-workers.
Enough is more than enough.

 

[GinNJuice]

As I understand Gin's position, my gay chorus should not have had gay as part of our name,
and then when we advertised in the paper for a concert, the public would have no notice they were going to a gay oriented event.

Assuming that you were singing, I don't see how it is relevent that the performers are gay. I don't see why you would want or need to exclude anyone from the performance. Of course, as I revealed before, you were not doing it to sing, you were making a political statement using the chorus as the vehicle.

I can just imagine Dballer and Gin walking into a gay themed party/concert/event unsuspecting.
"What the hell?"

Assuming that I went into a concert, I don't see how I would notice/care that the performers were gay Maybe you can explain this.

Don't I say that I went to see the Turtle Creek Chours? They sang very well.

Don't you think I go and see movies? A good amount of actors are gay, but who cares, .........and they don't have to put "Gay" in the title of the movie (Unless they were talking about gay issues or having sex in the movie...... which was my second qualifying question to you, if you remember)

 

[GinNJuice]

Your wedding ring announces to the world you have sex with women.
Anytime your name is listed Mr. & Mrs. Gin&Juice you announce your heterosexuality to the world.

True, but is relevant, only in my case. What about a single person?

The pictures of your family on your office desk announce your heterosexuality to the office..

Not all people have pictures on their desk.... nor do I.

Your IRS filing status = Married filing jointly announces your status to the government...

Oh, but I should wish I could file single.... a better tax break....

On the most recent census, they asked questions down to the level of how many toilets do you have, and are you samoan.
But there was no category for gay. Like we don't even exist. Talk about devalued.

It burned ME up that I had to put down my race I guess I have a different perspective on that issue.... I don't think we should have to give out all that personal info.

I have to make these accomodations every day.
There are no pictures on my desk.
I don't get to put momentos of the ones I love in my office. Because I don't want to risk offending my co-workers.
Enough is more than enough.

Yet, you won't even support (pay money to see) a group of individuals that have to suffer as you do. ?????

Oh, and not all people share Smegma's views!

 

[john937]

smegmasoldier on the ignore list

 

[runner]

On the most recent census, they asked questions down to the level of how many toilets do you have, and are you samoan.
But there was no category for gay. Like we don't even exist. Talk about devalued.

actually, that's not true.

 

[john937]

Assuming that you were singing, I don't see how it is relevent that the performers are gay. I don't see why you would want or need to exclude anyone from the performance.
We do not want to exclude anyone from coming except those who would be offended by coming to a gay community event. How do we let them know it's going to be a gay community event without putting the word gay somewhere in the title?
More importantly, we want to ATTRACT the gay community to our event. Remember, the event I was talking about was the FIRST EVER concert by the FIRST gay community chorus. 99% of our own community didn't know we existed. How are we supposed to communicate to our own people that we exist if we left "gay" out of the title?

Of course, as I revealed before, you were not doing it to sing, you were making a political statement using the chorus as the vehicle.

You didn't "reveal" anything before, you incorrectly twisted what I said to fit your bias.

Assuming that I went into a concert, I don't see how I would notice/care that the performers were gay Maybe you can explain this.

There's a lot of SmegmaSoldiers out there that would disagree with your statement. We have no interest in suprising them after they're already in the hall attending the event. It seemed only prudent to let people know this was going to be a concert of the gay community, by the gay community, and for the gay community. Anybody else was welcome, but haters were warned in advance, simply by that one word in our name, what they were getting into.
No appologies.
I'm thru with this thread.

 

[HansNZ]

Agreed. Keep your preferences to yourself and everything should be ok.

I don't see heterosexuals keeping their preferences to themselves. Heterosexual imagery and relationships fill our screens and lives. When you walk through town you see straights kissing in public, holding hands, etc. You hardly ever see gays doing these things. But when you do they are accused of "flaunting it".

 

[HansNZ]

You make reference to oppression that is significantly different than that of gays. For example, when a black man or a woman walk past you, you know immediately that they are black or a woman... you don't have to talk to them to find out what "minority" they are a part of (If I remember correctly, there is at least as many women as men on this planet). You don't have to ask a black man if he is black. In a job interview, the company knows he's black the second he walks in the door..... thus, he can be discriminated against before he hands his resume over. Same thing with getting an apartment... as soon as he meets the LL, discrimination can happen. The same goes for women.

.... however, as suggested earlier, the guy working out next to me in the gym could be gay..... several of the people I work with could be gay..... I don't know. When a man comes in to interview with me, how would I know he is gay?????? Or if a two college men come to rent one of my apartments, how would I know that they are gay?????

No one can discriminate against a gay man unless this man tells everyone that he likes/wants to sleep with men. (we are not discussing trannys or xdressers here, we are talking about gay men).... No one can discriminate against a choir of men, unless they inform "them" that they like to sleep with men.

When are YOU going to get it? It is not necessary to tell strangers who you like to have sex with.

Using your reasoning like "it meant penetrating the wall of partriarchal domination of the body -- of finding ownership and autonomy in their own bodies", then heterosexuals that like to have sex doggy style should identify them selves as different from heterosexuals that like it missionary, and then again from those who like it both ways. (I could go on an on about different sexual preferences). Then if some right-wing extremist thinks it is immoral to do it doggy style, then there would be some form of discrimination. And heterosexual couples engage in sodomy all the time. But in reality, all of this is personal and private information.

Your reasoning is completely flawed. Essentially you are arguing that people have no right to be different or themselves.

Because blacks can't hide their difference the it must be tolerated, but because gays can then they aren't entitled to be treated the way that people of the dominant culture are.