HGH and T4 opinions please.

[the_alcatraz]

Because of the time it takes your body to get primed with GH then:

Synergy occurs when two elements are combined to create a total which is greater than the sum of their individual parts. In other words, 1 + 1 = 3.

In bodybuilding, synergy occurs when two or more factors work together to create a compound effect, greater than the sum of the two factors individually. Bodybuilding synergy can be achieved in many ways. For example, proper nutrition and training have greater effects that either independently combined, etc. Chemically, it's a much more complex ballgame, although one that can be studied and researched. Chemical synergy for bodybuilding can be achieved when testosterone and human growth hormone are used together. Their effect upon the body, when cycled together, are far greater than either could be alone or combined on different schedules.

Growth hormone directly leads to muscle growth. It also has secondary effects, including the liver stimulation to release IGF-1, secondary hormone tissue release, and insulin release. Testosterone, on the other hand, is useful for bodybuilders for a different set of reasons. Testosterone make the GH factors work faster. It also increases cell efficiency and makeup, and creates what are called 'satellite cells' which aid with recovery.

It's difficult to quantify the synergistic effects of stacking these compounds. Their very use in medicine (and bodybuilding) is relatively new, and legal ramifications make it even harder to track long-term effects of stacking these compounds vs. taking the independently. However, the majority of self-proclaimed "gurus", as well as a growing number of industry physicians and hormone specialists, seem to be uniformly embracing this theory. As do the bodybuilders. For the short-term, the proof is in the pudding; Today's top athletes stack testosterone and growth hormone for maximum growth efficiency. And while scientists and researchers know that the two compounds affect different neuromuscular outlets and take different paths to absorption, the clinical data is not yet there.

An additional use, aside from bodybuilding growth, is hormone replacement therapy (HRT). Older men utilizing hormone replacement therapy, which is often the same compounds used by bodybuilders at far lower levels, will also benefit from the synergistic effect of stacking testosterone and human growth hormone.
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very interesting read, and I agree on the synergy part...but it does not explain why HGH should be started a few weeks before test, or did I miss something?

 

[goin on 4T]

Because HGH takes a couple of weeks to start noticing effects, by the 8th week the GH will be in full gear. If you were going to run a 6 month cycle of test + GH that is one thing. However, being that he is only going for about 10 weeks he wouldn't see that great of results if he started the two at the same time. Basically GH is a lot slower than test. So get the GH up to prime then add the test.
Did that explain it better?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Because HGH takes a couple of weeks to start noticing effects, by the 8th week the GH will be in full gear. If you were going to run a 6 month cycle of test + GH that is one thing. However, being that he is only going for about 10 weeks he wouldn't see that great of results if he started the two at the same time. Basically GH is a lot slower than test. So get the GH up to prime then add the test.
Did that explain it better?

Aha!

Well you know what, you've convinced me. I agree completely. You're right.

 

[kcdoubleeagleplatinum]

How about taking HGH a few weeks into the test cycle so when you start to come off the test the HGH is really kicking in? This seems to be a good way to come off the testosterone.....any thoughts?

 

[iceman7230]

How about taking HGH a few weeks into the test cycle so when you start to come off the test the HGH is really kicking in? This seems to be a good way to come off the testosterone.....any thoughts?

It is more effective with the test because it increases everything you take

 

[goin on 4T]

How about taking HGH a few weeks into the test cycle so when you start to come off the test the HGH is really kicking in? This seems to be a good way to come off the testosterone.....any thoughts?

No, please don't take offense, it will not do that for you. GH is not all that and a cup of soup. If you want something for immediate lean gains extending your cycle gains while not on cycle that is IGF-1 LR-3. Plain and simple!