Well said Steelweaver. IMHO the diet discussion board (where missyd has spent a lot of time) is one of THE worst places for a newbie to go and figure out a diet plan. On just the first page alone there are folks saying "30:30:30 is THE BEST diet", crumcake's ultimate diet to get ripped, Dr Atkin's diet, CKD, Zone, paleolithic diet, animalbolics, caveman, eat anything you want, high carb refeeds, high GI post workout, low GI all the time, no carbs ever, etc..... and there are people religiously proclaiming the perfection of each of these approaches to dieting. I think the majority of visitors to that board get confused, chop and change diets a few times, get more confused with poor results, then give up. Missyd is more tenacious than average, and should be commended for her persistance in asking which diet is best and how to "get abs". However, I think that missyd should pick one person (say, NY Muscle) and take their advice and STICK TO IT for at least 6-8 weeks. Don't bother reading other boards or asking questions....just DO IT for a set period of time and see what kind of results you get. You have to give it some time and commitment.