First few seconds street fight VS a boxer, need pointers

[Big Johnson]

just take the ass whippin and get it over with, let the worst happen and see how much you can take, everyone has to be tested in life, and imo it is a bigger test of character if you can take a punch rather than throw one. No matter what just keep telling him more until he just thinks you are a crazy fuck....then you can get up and go home knowing that you had the balls to do what not many could have done. I think that pride and fear of embarrasment get in the way of most peoples natural ability and instinct to fight. Get rid of it now, and you'll never be scared of it again. The problem with so many guys is that they all want to fight and be the toughguy, but none of them want to lose....fuck it happens, no matter how badass you are.

Losing well IS better, IMO, than losing badly, but this isn't checkers you're playing.

This, my friend, is some of the worst advice of the thread. Suppose you, while "learning" that you can survive a beating, lose a few teeth, lose an eye, or worse? I have scars on my face and a crooked nose I'd gladly trade in for whatever knowledge I gained in getting them.

The thing you need to learn is how to win, or at the very least how not to lose. Make sure YOU are in control and have whatever advantage you need to prevail.

Save losing well for checkers.

 

[c-sharp minor]

Assholes like this guy should be wiped off the face of the earth.

Kill the fucker, or, at the very least, cripple him for life. Make sure his pain is excrutiating and long term.

Any threat of violence should be met as if your life depended on it, because it IS entirely possible it might.

The Law is entirely too lenient when it comes to peoples' safety.

People are shit.








*It's been a rough week so forgive me if I seem a tad hostile *

 

[Imnotdutch]

In this country that would get you locked up for sure..........

Assholes like this guy should be wiped off the face of the earth.

Kill the fucker, or, at the very least, cripple him for life. Make sure his pain is excrutiating and long term.

Any threat of violence should be met as if your life depended on it, because it IS entirely possible it might.

The Law is entirely too lenient when it comes to peoples' safety.

People are shit.








*It's been a rough week so forgive me if I seem a tad hostile *

 

[Generic MALE]

Okay...just for fun I will throw my 2 cents in here. Lots of guys on here sound pretty tough, some real tough so their advice may be what you want to follow.

First of all - don't get in a fight without realizing that even "non-serious" fights can get real serious real quick. A person can slip on an oil spill and crack their head open on a cinder block unexpectedly. Its best to avoid it if you can. Apologize or what have you. Try not to be where he is going to be. Don't worry if your friends call you a pussy, if so they aren't your friends. If you happen to run into him, and get cornered of course you need to end it real quick - the longer a fight goes on the more chances there are of things going wrong.

I was a bouncer for awhile in my twenties - usually had the upper hand even when facing 2 or 3 guys because I never drank or did drugs (due to religious beliefs) so 3 drunk guys were often not that bad - I mean I would take a few shots but nothing that really hurt me - perhaps leave a bruise on my ribs the next day type of thing. I was also an AAU state wrestling champion one year in school, a state kickboxing champion also. Never had to fight a guy with a knife or anything though.

Anyway, my first real physical move would be similar to one mentioned earlier - I would sort of skip in and hit their lead knee with the flat of my foot, hitting on the outside of their knee and pushing inwards to their centerline - this will fold the knee - not knock them down, not break it, just cause their knee to buckle. This should be done real relaxed so as not to telegraph your intentions, don't try and super kick it to break it - you just want a moment of advantage and a loss of balance on their part.

Then I would grab them in a bear hug, wrapping my arms over the tops of his arms so his arms were pinned to the sides. I would be positioned for this to his side, towards the rear. So if he was leading with his left side I would have my left foot behind him as I bear hugged him. I would then lift and drag him up and over and slam him down. With his arms pinned he will have a hard time breaking his fall. Then I would either hammer fist him on the back of the neck, kick him or drop on his spine/ribs (if he is laying flattened out on the ground) with both of my knees - followed by lifting his face off the ground by his hair (if its long enough) and smashing his face repeatedly into the ground.

I might spit in his face before making the initial knee kick/push to distract him high so I can have a cleaner shot low. Or I might carry some dirt or car keys in my hand and throw it at his face just before the knee push.

If you take him down I would hesitate to grapple with him as many guys carry a knife and you are in perfect range to get cut up. I once had a guy down on the ground in a leg scissors and a front choke. Later I realized how lucky I was when I found out he had a knife in his pocket. Also even if you are on top and grappling , your knees will look like hamburger the next day from getting cut up on a parking lot. If you are on your back you can still win, but you will have a road rash thats pretty bad. If you are on top of him and punching his face, and he moves his head you can break your hand by hitting the ground - watch out.

I don't like a double leg take down on the street, because if they shift their weight back just right, you can be there on your knees while they start smashing the back of your neck. If they shift forward just right they can take you face first into the ground and be on top of you. Either way you can end up lying on the grouned with a double leg if you don't have the technique just right. The guy who recommended that is probably quite experienced in wrestling and can switch to a firemans carry in one case or a leg bar in the other - or any one of a million follow ups if the double leg take down does not work. If you have not wrestled much I would not go with it myself. But if you can pull of a double leg take down it often will end the fight as they hit the ground like a ton of bricks.

If you do use the double leg , a bouncing betty can be a decent entry. its simply a palm strike to their eye or forehead which puts their upper body momentum backwards, offbalancing them in the right way before doing the double leg.

I prefer another move to the double leg, that is grabbing under their crotch with one hand and lifting, while driving my forearm into their throat with the other hand.

But again, very little is won in a fight. You can end up in court - even if you were attacked. If you fight and win, do not brag about how you "kicked his ass" - this would look bad in court if they testify against you. Remember when talking afterwards you did not want to fight and you were scared for your life - if these people testify it will look better.

 

[Generic MALE]

First thing RELAX. I am sure you have a "personal space". If this individual crosses it than you must attack. I do not know your capabilities so the point of attack relies with your strength i.e. striking/grappling. Attack and think. Use smart and effective strikes and be wary of your guard. Use your instincts.

Good comments. I like the red/yellow/green idea. Red is about 6 feet ffrom your physical body - if he comes in that far, red means run.

Yellow is about 4 feet - its a toss up of running or hitting.

Green is about 3 feet from your body - if he gets within that, hit him. Green means go. Don't let him speak, if he gets within 3 feet smack him.

One thing I have seen work with an inexperienced fighter is when the guy got within 4 feet or so, he put his hands up face high - hands open, back of the hand facing the opponant, elbows close together - sort of a pleading gesture. He said "Hey dude, why can't you be cool? I don't want to fight." As he was saying this he kicked the guy in the knee and then grabbed him by the hair and face and twisted his neck until the guy fell to the ground. His hands were up as a shield against any attack, but it looked completely non threatening - like he was begging or pleading.

 

[Big Johnson]

Any threat of violence should be met as if your life depended on it, because it IS entirely possible it might.

Keeping it real, bro.

 

[Bam Bam]

okay well, its going to happen, so i need to prepare my self or prety much know what to do, this guys been boxing for a few years now, and the last few days hes been chasing me around town trying to get me to fight him. now personally ive never been a fighter, but i dont really have a choice any more. hes 6' 1" 175lbs im 6' 190 lean, hes a drunko and a pot head so even what hes got is some fat but hes quick. I know if im going to fight him and win i cant let him fight a boxers fight, hes a prety dirty fighter and will do about anything he can to win. My first insticnt would probably be to go for a shot to the stomach then try and grab him by the back and throw a knee in there with all i have and knock the wind out of him, so then he has about 30seconds to 1min to be concious and throw his punches. i can throw a punch or 2 with my left but nothing i would be relying on winning a fight with, mainly im right hand dominant thats why i was thinking one throw then a knee and if that took him out go for a coupple face shots. anyways im not an experienced fighter like i said but this is somthing thats going to happened and all i can to is be ready for it, any help would be appreciated, thanks guys

Don't stand up with a boxer bro, take his ass to the ground quick. It will take away his advantage over you. When you go to tackle him, don't close your eyes or he may slip out of your grasp, then you will go the ground and he will more than likely put the boots to your ass. If you are on the ground and he is working on you, gouge his eyes with your thumbs. Make sure you dig around real good so his eyes will water up and he will have problems seeing you. Pull hair, do whatever, there are no rules in a steet fight. I don't believe in weapons unless he has one first though. Enjoy.....BamBam

 

[TC2]

WRONG...If you knew anything about the skill of boxing,you would retract that statement.Anyone who has ever boxed would not dispute the fact that LEVERAGE and punching power are created by planting your feet,hip rotation,shoulder snap...All requirements of a standing base.I boxed for many years as well,and also TAUGHT the sport.You could not be more wrong in your statements.

WRONG...

yes planting your feet does help gernerate power and leverage I am not to disputing that.

BUT it is not REQUIRED(in a street fight), you as a boxer know that tremedus power comes from your midsection and upper body.

Don't tell me that just because a boxer is on the ground that he can't hit hard as a motherfucker.

And if you taught the sport without teaching your students to be able to land blows without their feet being planted you left out a big part of their punching ability.

When you are circling your opponent you're feet aren't always planted and you still have effective punches if you are trained right.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

TC2-Do us both a favor,before arguing,please ask the question to any great boxing champion,or boxing coach,"how is punching/KO power generated?"I can promise you,the answer will be the same from all of them.Outside of VERY rare instances,the only time knockouts occur is when a fighter has both feet planted solidly,and gets maximum hip rotation.Knockout power comes from the feet up.Can I punch hard off my feet?Yes.Is it anywhere near as hard as when I'm planted?Not even close.

As another example,ask the question,how many knockouts have you seen a guy who's jumping up in the air score while his feet are off the ground?

 

[TC2]

TC2-Do us both a favor,before arguing,please ask the question to any great boxing champion,or boxing coach,"how is punching/KO power generated?"I can promise you,the answer will be the same from all of them.Outside of VERY rare instances,the only time knockouts occur is when a fighter has both feet planted solidly,and gets maximum hip rotation.Knockout power comes from the feet up.Can I punch hard off my feet?Yes.Is it anywhere near as hard as when I'm planted?Not even close.

As another example,ask the question,how many knockouts have you seen a guy who's jumping up in the air score while his feet are off the ground?

I see what you're saying and I agree and I am not arguing the fact that the great power punches come from the feet being firmly planted on the ground. I said that in my last post.

All Im saying is that a boxer is far from powerless when not on his feet.