Fasted cardio ed or eod while bulking

[Kaytime]

Hey guys, I’m currently on a mass cycle and I have increased my calories tremendously.

6 meals + 1 shake pre workout & 1 shake post workout with (dextrose)

I am just wondering if fasted cardio every day or every other day would make gains suffer? I just want to keep unwanted bodyfat down or to at least keep it to a minimal level.

Stats
Age 31
Height 6ft 2
Weight 122kg
Bodyfat roughly 13 - 15%
Goal = comp again late next year, goal is to add as much mass as I can before I prep mid year

 

[stevesmi]

I would never under any circumstance have you eating 6 meals + a dex shake post workout. no human being on the planet needs to take MORE sugar, we get plenty already and sugar does not build quality mass. it will just make you fat

the pros who do this are on tons of drugs, HGH, and insulin so they HAVE to have a dex shake.. unless you are doing the same then why copy what they are doing?

 

[Kaytime]

So should I cut out the post workout shake that has dextrose in it?

 

[splizzit]

I would never under any circumstance have you eating 6 meals + a dex shake post workout. no human being on the planet needs to take MORE sugar, we get plenty already and sugar does not build quality mass. it will just make you fat

the pros who do this are on tons of drugs, HGH, and insulin so they HAVE to have a dex shake.. unless you are doing the same then why copy what they are doing?

i thought the point of the dex (which purportedly spikes insulin) is to mimic the spike from actually taking insulin, yet obviously safer.


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[SteveMobsterG]

i thought the point of the dex (which purportedly spikes insulin) is to mimic the spike from actually taking insulin, yet obviously safer.


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All fast carbs do.

 

[splizzit]

All fast carbs do.

so is there a legitimate reason to spike your insulin (either with insulin or something like dex) after a lifting workout or not? This question has never really yielded a satisfactory debate on the boards or the net research. i just read, “its great or its evil”. or like the 1st reply. pro’s HAVE to cuz their on a shitload of drugs. how about just a load. or some? does “its only good for the pros” type response really you must have the top genetics profile they express. or it is a bodyfat % thing. im really interested in this “tipping point” that must exist & i would love to know what the mechanics of the interaction of factors might be. if anyone has a more clear understanding or can point me to a really good source, i would really appreciate it.


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[stevesmi]

i thought the point of the dex (which purportedly spikes insulin) is to mimic the spike from actually taking insulin, yet obviously safer.


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is that necessary ? no.. and it is actually counter productive

the reason for the 'post workout dex shake' is to prevent you from going into hypo after an insulin injection. yet we see people copying this nonsense cause some meathead on tons of shit tells them thats what they do lol

 

[stevesmi]

So should I cut out the post workout shake that has dextrose in it?

are you taking insulin post workout? if not then yes cut it out

 

[Kaytime]

are you taking insulin post workout? if not then yes cut it out

So just a protein shake on its own. Nothing else?

I do use insulin half way through a cycle or during a cruise period.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I think in general people are way too worried about losing gains. It is actually really hard to lose muscle. If you are in a caloric surplus at the end of the day you will still be gaining weight. You are already fairly lean so it is something you might have to adjsut as you go. If you notice you are gaining unwanted fat then just cut the food down.

 

[muskate]

Cardio a couple days per week will NOT make you loose muscle.

I am ALL for cardio in the offseason. It'll help with conditioning and it's good for your heart

 

[splizzit]

is that necessary ? no.. and it is actually counter productive

the reason for the 'post workout dex shake' is to prevent you from going into hypo after an insulin injection. yet we see people copying this nonsense cause some meathead on tons of shit tells them thats what they do lol

so here is my problem understanding & why I used the term “tipping point” earlier.
To be clear:
1. you don’t mention whether the insulin injection is also counter productive.
so #1 - is an insulin injection a positive for building muscle?
if the answer to this is no. Full stop here
———————-
if the answer to Q#1 is yes :
2. a slin inj spikes insulin, yes?
3. as Masonic said, a dex shake spikes insulin, yes?
4. so the only way i can see 1 is counterproductive & the other effective is some “tipping point”.
an ex: a little test boost helps build muscle; a huge test boost helps build muscle.
Why is this not true with insulin?

5. if it is the case these smaller boosts in insulin spikes are bad, why is the choice of post workout shakes whey instead of casein?



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[stevesmi]

^^^ unless you have top 1% genetics and plan on competing at the highest levels AND plan on using a ton of gear/HGH/drugs then no person should touch insulin PERIOD

the avg joe who uses insulin will gain fat and maybe a little more muscle/strength.. plus it will be detrimintal to your health

our lifestyles we already get TOO MUCH insulin spikes as it is, to add more makes no sense. it would be like me telling you to add donuts to your diet, makes no sense.

 

[stevesmi]

So just a protein shake on its own. Nothing else?

I do use insulin half way through a cycle or during a cruise period.

if you use insulin then you should always keep dex/sugars on hand to prevent going hypo

you want to take the right amount.. taking too much will defeat the purpose.. taking too little might put you into hypo.

i am not an advocate for insulin use at all unless you are competing at a Mr. Olympia level which is absurd to even dream about. there are 5B people on earth and those are the 20 best bodybuilders. your odds are less than making it into the NBA for crying out loud. and even if you make it there how many guys do we see fall out the next year cause competition gets tougher and tougher. people destroy their bodies for a 5 figure award.. atleast in the NBA they get paid millions for riding the bench