Ethergels

[Bill Llewellyn]

Ethergels seem like a rip-off compared to Sauce. They are the same exact thing (except in a gelcap w/a small amt of fat) and cost three times as much on a mg per mg basis.

On a mg for mg basis it is 2 1/2 times the cost of Sauce. This is more than compensated for by its far greater oral bioavailability and true, slow lymphatic delivery. They have the same retail price, and bottle for bottle it will outperform Sauce every time. What is the problem?

These things aren't cheap to make, and I still made it the best value 1-Test product on the market. And since I'm the only one selling it, I could have charged a hundred bucks like other companies would have. I could have sold it only direct for a while too so everyone was forced to pay full retail. But I didn't. Back off LS.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

So you do believe an anti-estrogen is needed post-cycle? Okay, before I thought you said that they are not needed...but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And is there any reference to back up your claim that 1-test is more orally bioavailable than 1AD?

1AD has proven itself through its results in many people. Ethergel 'technology'/encapsulated 1-test/whatever has not. Until it has, I don't think many people are going to buy your slightly-outlandish claims.

 

[blackdream71]

believe me LATINUS my claims are not "falsified", i have nothing to gain from telling everyone my gains made on ETHERGELS, allthough it would be nice if i got another cycle of them free from BILL, J/K,LOL, anyway i'm a well respected member on ANABOLEX as well as a moderator at FITNESSBOARD.COM(just a little plug), to tell you the truth i was totally suprised when i stepped on the scale at week 4 and seen that big of an increase in weight, i have done cycles of DECA at 400mg per week and surely didn't see these kind of gains, i know next time i use them i will definitely stack with 4-AD cause this "limp dick syndrome" is for the birds, i'm only 30 years old this shouldn't be happening to me,LOL...

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

And is there any reference to back up your claim that 1-test is more orally bioavailable than 1AD?

Just common sense. They are the same hormone, except 1-AD has 2 hydroxyl groups instead of one. These are open to conjugation, which readies the hormone for excretion. I don't think there is a drastic difference, but if you want to improve the oral bioavailability of a hormone like 1-Test you don't make it a 3,17 diol.

1AD has proven itself through its results in many people. Ethergel 'technology'/encapsulated 1-test/whatever has not.

I'll remind you again it has with Andriol. Agan, why else were they searching for over 30 years to find ways to take testosterone orally? According to you they should have just taken more.

I am not knocking 1-AD, it is a good product. But my design here is a tremendous improvement. 1-T has been out for a very short time now, and is already turning heads. The feedback on the various boards is not contrived, and the fact that people are making such good progress on such low doses speaks for itself.

Until it has, I don't think many people are going to buy your slightly-outlandish claims.

I don't make slightly-outlandish claims. In fact, I PRIDE myself with doing business honestly. I worked hard on this design, and know it will change the face of the prohormone market in the months and years to come.. You can fight innovation just so long LS.

 

[lovetoeat]

Hey cool Bill I made your site too, I decided to up my dose to 300mg the last 10 days of my cycle for no other reason than I haven't seen any side effects at 200mg so why not. I'm glad you saw my results, I was wondering about it.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

I'll stick with 1AD until the ethergels are proven. I talked to the manager of a local supplement store that caters to the "hardcore" crowd yesterday (he carries several 1-test products). I won't name any names, but supposedly the 1-test products recieve negative reviews by 90% of the people that use them, and 1AD is by far the most liked PH (sells 3 times as much 1AD as the other PH combined) in the store. Pretty telling considering this particular store has _EVERY_ prohormone I have ever heard of stocked.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

I'll stick with 1AD until the ethergels are proven. I talked to the manager of a local supplement store that caters to the "hardcore" crowd yesterday (he carries several 1-test products). I won't name any names, but supposedly the 1-test products recieve negative reviews by 90% of the people that use them, and 1AD is by far the most liked PH (sells 3 times as much 1AD as the other PH combined) in the store. Pretty telling considering this particular store has _EVERY_ prohormone I have ever heard of stocked.

I think this has a lot to do with dose (100mg ether = approx 75mg 1-T Base), and the fact that without the softgel the ether does little to improve things. You can't righly compare the other 1-test products to mine.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Hey cool Bill I made your site too, I decided to up my dose to 300mg the last 10 days of my cycle for no other reason than I haven't seen any side effects at 200mg so why not. I'm glad you saw my results, I was wondering about it.

Thanks for posting them! And glad to see you've been liking them so much..

As for side effects, glad to hear it has been comfortable for you. 1-Test IMO is a pretty friendly hormone most of the time. You hopefully won't notice the change much from 200 to 300 in this regard. Best of luck LTE!

 

[1fast400]

"talked to the manager of a local supplement store that caters to the "hardcore" crowd yesterday (he carries several 1-test products). I won't name any names, but supposedly the 1-test products recieve negative reviews by 90% of the people that use them, and 1AD is by far the most liked PH (sells 3 times as much 1AD as the other PH combined) in the store."


I'm the owner of a "hardcore" store in NC. I carry everything from ONE/ONE+/ethergels/1-AD and I used to have sauce. I would never argue that I sell a lot more 1-AD than anything else. This is due to the fact that transdermals aren't suited for everyone. I've had 1, and I repeat 1 complaint about a 1-test transdermal not working and this guy could screw up anything. This makes less than 1% of customers not "liking it".

The market I draw isn't really willing to run things past 4 weeks. That is why sauce isn't in my store anymore. I've sold around 15-20 ethergels to this point and I haven't had a complaint yet. In the same regard I haven't had anyone saying it is the next best thing. Realize that a happy customer might tell you something worked. A pissed customer will tell you 100 times that the product didn't work for him. To me I look at the lack of feedback as a good thing.

1-AD speaks for itself, everyone knows it works. I don't think anyone argues that. It has also been out longer. Give a product time before saying "it sucks".

 

[lovetoeat]

I guess someone is buying these things, I just looked at dpsnutrition and they're out of stock. Must be all of the positive feedback.