Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long periods?

[Nighthawkk]

Just wondering if you guys think you can ever go back to normal levels of hormone production and endocrine function after being "on" (cycling AND bridging) for periods of 12+ months? I see many of us are now doing somewhat heavier cycles with varied PCTs and more bridging alternatives with test, dbol, IGF, HGH, etc., so it should be interesting to see what everyone has to say.

 

[lartinos]

I've done it. I think it takes quite a long time to really get back to normal. I didn't use things such as igf-1 and dermacrine though either.

 

[motodawg]

I stayed on for a really long period of time back in the day and i don't think i was ever back to "normal" It's really hard to stay at normal when you have stepped over that line and seen the results from AAS.

 

[krbn08]

I'm really not sure . .

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

who wants to go back to normal? I say wait until your at least 30 to start, do 2 cycles a year with good PCT for about 5 years, then become addicted and stay on year round. That's really the answer and it's what happens to 80% of the people that head down this path. Some things are just too good to give up.

 

[starskulker]

Nope. It will nevewr be the same for me again. 43 next week and i will never come off of test. I just add in stuff every so often.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Good question, but it depends on too many factors to say for certain -- age, duration of cycles, dosages, the amount of years you do them, the amount of time you stay off between cycles, even the types of drugs.

It's impossible to say how much of an effect it'll have down the line. I didn't need HRT until I was in my late 40's. Was it the result of ASS usage? Not really. My levels were normal for my age, just not acceptable to what I wanted. Meanwhile, I became hypothyroid and I never took a thyroid med in my life prior to having it prescribed to me. So go figure.

It'd be fair to say that if you do this for years, expect to go on HRT early in life.

 

[iHulk]

good quesiotn bro. But liek Nelson said, I think once you get into the groove with having extra test circulating your body throughout the years; time will eventually lead you to a maintenance HRT regimen. No biggie. Doctor prescrived thats all

 

[boston789]

I think age has alot to do with it.

 

[rockstar6181]

do any of you guys have a "cut off" point where by if your test levels reached that point natrually you wouldnt bother coming off

 

[Nighthawkk]

Thanks for the input guys, good responses all around. I'm not really too sure about the subject either but Nelson had a good point in indicating that there are way too many factors influencing each person that there is no concrete answer to the question. I'm personally still in my mid 20's and have been on or bridging for nearly 18 months so I feel that I am going to be HRT bound regardless of PCT and/or being off for a while, but it's hard to assume that now. The only rationale I provide for myself is that HRT will be more commonplace for both males and females alike in the future, and with rapid medical advances abound, we can hope that any detrimental effects from long-term use can be more easily addressed when we get older.

 

[r1]

I think it's totally possible to get back to normal, bro. Coming off after being on for a long time can leave you with a condition known as ASIH (Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism). There are a couple of good HRT around that have been very successful in treating this condition. It usually involves use of C lomid/N olvadex/H CG/H MG. Look at some posts by Jenetic in the PCT forum. He was about as suppressed as they come and he was able to recover.

I think the more important question is: will you be happy being "normal" ? Maybe normal puts all of your levels in the middle of the range. Your body flat will not respond like does while "on". If you have ASIH, coming back to mid-range would be considered a success by many. I think many bros get to this point and decide to go "on" again.

Your alternative, of course, is HRT. The benefit is the control you get. You can keep your T levels right at the top of the range as long as E is kept under control. The drawback is that it's a lifelong commitment that is often tricky to get right and keep it consistently right. I've been on HRT for over 3 years now. When it works, it fuckin' works!! When it doesn't, it is a pain in the ass. The weekly injections (1 Test and 2 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - shots per week) are also a pain in the ass. Traveling on HRT is a huge pain in the ass. Last year I want to Canada and brought my HCG (and script for it). I didn't have any problems except constantly worrying that my HCG would get too warm and no longer work.

R1

 

[DJ_UFO]

I think that depends on genetics. My boody seems to prefectly recover after a period of time. Most carbon units have the exeptional feature of auto repair, IF they have the opportunity to do it. The opportunity for our units is time and nutrition.

 

[peejae]

Good question, but it depends on too many factors to say for certain -- age, duration of cycles, dosages, the amount of years you do them, the amount of time you stay off between cycles, even the types of drugs.

It's impossible to say how much of an effect it'll have down the line. I didn't need HRT until I was in my late 40's. Was it the result of ASS usage? Not really. My levels were normal for my age, just not acceptable to what I wanted. Meanwhile, I became hypothyroid and I never took a thyroid med in my life prior to having it prescribed to me. So go figure.

It'd be fair to say that if you do this for years, expect to go on HRT early in life.

Question see my father went to the doc in his mid 40's and has low test levels and was put on hrt. He was never an aas user so should i say screw it and use for yrs since it might be genetic and ill probably be on hrt as well?

 

[advanced-stealth]

very good reply.

I think it's totally possible to get back to normal, bro. Coming off after being on for a long time can leave you with a condition known as ASIH (Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism). There are a couple of good HRT around that have been very successful in treating this condition. It usually involves use of C lomid/N olvadex/H CG/H MG. Look at some posts by Jenetic in the PCT - post cycle therapy - forum. He was about as suppressed as they come and he was able to recover.

I think the more important question is: will you be happy being "normal" ? Maybe normal puts all of your levels in the middle of the range. Your body flat will not respond like does while "on". If you have ASIH, coming back to mid-range would be considered a success by many. I think many bros get to this point and decide to go "on" again.

Your alternative, of course, is HRT. The benefit is the control you get. You can keep your T levels right at the top of the range as long as E is kept under control. The drawback is that it's a lifelong commitment that is often tricky to get right and keep it consistently right. I've been on HRT for over 3 years now. When it works, it fuckin' works!! When it doesn't, it is a pain in the ass. The weekly injections (1 Test and 2 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - shots per week) are also a pain in the ass. Traveling on HRT is a huge pain in the ass. Last year I want to Canada and brought my HCG (and script for it). I didn't have any problems except constantly worrying that my HCG would get too warm and no longer work.

R1

 

[todoveritas]

Believe it or not, it has been my experience that after about 10 cycles, your nads will stay the same size no matter what you throw at them.

 

[ironclaw]

who wants to go back to normal? I say wait until your at least 30 to start, do 2 cycles a year with good PCT - post cycle therapy - for about 5 years, then become addicted and stay on year round. That's really the answer and it's what happens to 80% of the people that head down this path. Some things are just too good to give up.

you basically just read my mind bro, I don't plan on going off for a long time from now, years down the road. I'm getting ready to compete next year, and then it ON!!!!

 

[todoveritas]

There is so much truth to the above, I don't know where to begin. The rules appear to be: #1. Do NOT start until you have reached your natural genetic natty potential ; #2. Be resonable and take the long view; #3. After 35 your natural testosterone production is down so your doc will prescribe perpetually, and #4. You will look amazing well into your 40's and 50's-there is just nothing that can match that grainy aged-muscle, etched into stone look that most younger guys dream of!

 

[justchilling]

hopefully some good pct will keep every thing were it should be.

 

[ShowKidd]

i think as long as you have decent genetics and run 500 iu's of hcg ew to keep your "boys" active that it wouldn't be a problem, i read that if they stay inactive for over 16 weeks then it starts to be a problem but that is where hcg comes into play. anyone want to elaborate a bit more on that?

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Good question, but it depends on too many factors to say for certain -- age, duration of cycles, dosages, the amount of years you do them, the amount of time you stay off between cycles, even the types of drugs.

It's impossible to say how much of an effect it'll have down the line. I didn't need HRT until I was in my late 40's. Was it the result of ASS usage? Not really. My levels were normal for my age, just not acceptable to what I wanted. Meanwhile, I became hypothyroid and I never took a thyroid med in my life prior to having it prescribed to me. So go figure.

It'd be fair to say that if you do this for years, expect to go on HRT early in life.

and thers nothing wrong with hrt.....

 

[noclue9415]

I stayed on for a really long period of time back in the day and i don't think i was ever back to "normal" It's really hard to stay at normal when you have stepped over that line and seen the results from anabolic androgenic steroids.

thats how me, and everyone i know personally that has tried gear b4 feels. But i have been off for about a month and a half now and i feel like im weak, even though my test levels are above normal for the average male my age.

 

[OMEGA]

I think age has alot to do with it.

And thus the reflective endogenous production there of.


That being said HCG, Clomid + AI will bring you back to that "Normal" level whatever it may be.

I honestly think environmental Estrogens, pollutants, and other toxic compounds are whars keeping the "Normal male down"


http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/re...decline for unknown reasons&catagory=Hormones

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

And thus the reflective endogenous production there of.


That being said HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , Clomid + aromatase inhibitor will bring you back to that "Normal" level whatever it may be.

I honestly think environmental Estrogens, pollutants, and other toxic compounds are whars keeping the "Normal male down"


http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/re...decline for unknown reasons&catagory=Hormones

clomid bro.wtf.

 

[OMEGA]

I meant to post this link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,225698,00.html

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

clomid bro.wtf.

Standard issue PCT staple as is an AI and HCG in my most humble opinion

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Standard issue PCT - post cycle therapy - staple as is an aromatase inhibitor and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in my most humble opinion

meh dermacrin sustain is much better imo

 

[solidspine]

Currently so broken up, considering jogging again.

 

[exxex]

Naaaaa

 

[paradox]

Some people may need to be monitored by a endorcineologist after a certain point, however most should be able to normalize again with a agressive course of HCG/clomid.

 

[Nelson Montana]

And thus the reflective endogenous production there of.


That being said HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , Clomid + aromatase inhibitor will bring you back to that "Normal" level whatever it may be.

I honestly think environmental Estrogens, pollutants, and other toxic compounds are whars keeping the "Normal male down"


http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/re...decline for unknown reasons&catagory=Hormones

Not really.

Neither drug cures hypogonadalism.

HC G allows the testicles to be operative a little faster after being atrophied. That's all.

Clomid works as an anti estrogen when e is elevated and helps restore T levels, but only as high as the persons LH will allow. And it does this in only 50% of the users. In many cases it makes it worse.

I haven't seen a single study that shows once Clomid treatment is discontinued that T levels remained above where they were normally. If it did, we should all be doing intermittant cycles of Clomid and our natural T will be higher and HIGHER all the time! Clomid treatment either improves T in those who were supressed from steroids (which would happen eventually with nothing) or it temporarily rasied levels in old men, but not high enough to be considered that of a healthy young man. And again, that's on those with whom it was considered succesfull.

One more thing about that link mentioning flouride as a cause for a decrease in testosterone. Probably the greatest influence in increasing flouride ingestion in the last 10 years has been -- ya ready? -- Green Tea.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/...y_except_for_this_one_dangerous_issue_004.htm

 

[Mac173]

And thus the reflective endogenous production there of.


That being said HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , Clomid + aromatase inhibitor will bring you back to that "Normal" level whatever it may be.

I honestly think environmental Estrogens, pollutants, and other toxic compounds are whars keeping the "Normal male down"


http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/re...decline for unknown reasons&catagory=Hormones

Good read, but makes me want to stop drinking so much water now.

 

[Nighthawkk]

Where was it ever mentioned that HCG has to be run throughout the entire cycle to ensure a good PCT? I've started using it in lower doses during my long runs but I'm not sure that's going to guarantee I'm back to normal faster. It has helped me in the past to reverse atrophy which probably allows the nolv and clomid to work more effectively, but being on for 12+ months will still shut you down hard regardless of what you're using after. Does anyone else have any good reads about HCG usage during full HPTA shutdown?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

arent steroids normal ?

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Good read, but makes me want to stop drinking so much water now.

there is much more documentation and cutting edge articles on the subject

I have hard copies but not Data that I can post

non of the articles are peer review persay but they are definite warning shots and voices which have truth to them, and to ignore them is folly

our water supply is messed up Royally and no one seems to care

 

[galaxy]

I was on a long time and now Im on 100mgs Test enanthate and I finally feel normal. I could come off completely but it would mean 8 months of hypogonadism and Im pretty much all set with that. My Doc hooked me up with a 5ml bottle of test e with 5 refills. With insurance it cost me $5 and he gave me an unlimited refills of syringes. I got the 5/7" 25g 1ml syringes. Pretty sweet and I could see myself doing this for life with no problems.

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

I was on a long time and now Im on 100mgs Test enanthate and I finally feel normal. .

a week?

also define NORMAL?

also how do you look now as compared to before?

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

I was on a long time and now Im on 100mgs Test enanthate and I finally feel normal. I could come off completely but it would mean 8 months of hypogonadism and Im pretty much all set with that. My Doc hooked me up with a 5ml bottle of testosterone enanthate with 5 refills. With insurance it cost me $5 and he gave me an unlimited refills of syringes. I got the 5/7" 25g 1ml syringes. Pretty sweet and I could see myself doing this for life with no problems.

sounds like a cool azz doc. what did you tell him or did your nat. test level test show that it was low ???

 

[nab12]

The question I have is at what point should a fellow who is in his mid-20's be concerned with becoming sterile? Eventually I'd like to have kids...should this be a concern?

 

[Nighthawkk]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

The question I have is at what point should a fellow who is in his mid-20's be concerned with becoming sterile? Eventually I'd like to have kids...should this be a concern?

This is a good question

 

[yankees5677]

The question I have is at what point should a fellow who is in his mid-20's be concerned with becoming sterile? Eventually I'd like to have kids...should this be a concern?

i agree... good question for us young guys who want kids. should i go get my sperm frozen now while i have it. my doc said if i did hrt the hcg would keep me on forever if i wanted kids and when i didnt want kids to just take the test by itself. if i changed my mind down the road just take the hcg again and i would kick on. regardless i havent done anything yet but before i do i wanna make sure i can multiply down the road. nelson, omega, needto? looking for what you think.

 

[ironclaw]

who wants to go back to normal? I say wait until your at least 30 to start, do 2 cycles a year with good PCT - post cycle therapy - for about 5 years, then become addicted and stay on year round. That's really the answer and it's what happens to 80% of the people that head down this path. Some things are just too good to give up.

that's the way I started, one cycle here, and then another cycle there, and before long they all just blend into one big experiment over the years. But you are right, its addictive feeling this good , I don't think I"ll ever come "off" even if its just to run a low dose of test, or something, just as long as I can keep moving forward, you know whaat i mean?

 

[ShowKidd]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

that's the way I started, one cycle here, and then another cycle there, and before long they all just blend into one big experiment over the years. But you are right, its addictive feeling this good , I don't think I"ll ever come "off" even if its just to run a low dose of test, or something, just as long as I can keep moving forward, you know whaat i mean?

agree^^^^^

 

[thelion2005]

What is normal? Being within range on a thorough blood test? Simply feeling good?

Just remember that normal is relative and always moving. You are aging and this effects everything.

Can you get back to the physical measurements and blood testing levels you were at before the administration of a cycle? No. You are changed.

 

[solidspine]

Being “on” is normal for some of us.

 

[ShowKidd]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Being “on” is normal for some of us.

true, the way i see it is as follows: if you plan on being on HRT eventually anyways and you enjoy feeling good and looking good then just cycle as often and as long as you please. i can honestly say that if it wasn't for juice and a good diet i would not be able to survive my daily schedule, i would be physically shot.

 

[st8grad]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

true, the way i see it is as follows: if you plan on being on HRT eventually anyways and you enjoy feeling good and looking good then just cycle as often and as long as you please. i can honestly say that if it wasn't for juice and a good diet i would not be able to survive my daily schedule, i would be physically shot.

So then when you talk about cycle do you just mean switched compounds and being on all the time? Or dropping down to lower levels of test for a period of time and then cycling in the others?

 

[galaxy]

I have been on 100mgs enanthate a week now for 14 weeks and my recent blood work had my test levels in the mid-level normal range. I am very happy. Obviously I dont feel as bloated up and as full but my sex drive is decent and I could definately live with it remaining as it is for the rest of my life. Not like a gram of test , its just more controlled.

 

[hyp1]

you know in the past I would say no

but having just came off of a cycle doing 750mgs of testosterone enanthate a week,600mgs of equipoise a week,throw in trenbolone acetate for a while at the end of the cycle and testosterone propionate too.........I haven't crashed at all size wise or strength wise.so far I've kept all of my gains with a proper post cycle therapy.I haven't had a blood test done yet buy have one scheduled soon will get back to you when I take it and get the results

 

[Moris]

i agree... good question for us young guys who want kids. should i go get my sperm frozen now while i have it. my doc said if i did hrt the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - would keep me on forever if i wanted kids and when i didnt want kids to just take the test by itself. if i changed my mind down the road just take the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - again and i would kick on. regardless i havent done anything yet but before i do i wanna make sure i can multiply down the road. nelson, omega, needto? looking for what you think.

what is hrt and HCG

 

[hyp1]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

what is hrt and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin -

one word bro,google the mothafucking names

hrt is hormone replacement therapy.........google that shit
and also google human chorionic gonadotropin used for bodybuilding

educate yourself so you don't have to ask obvious questions everyone already knows the answers to.

then come back and read your ass off and educate yourself...this forum is a great source for advancing your knowledge.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

i think as long as you have decent genetics and run 500 iu's of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ew to keep your "boys" active that it wouldn't be a problem, i read that if they stay inactive for over 16 weeks then it starts to be a problem but that is where HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - comes into play. anyone want to elaborate a bit more on that?

If you don't want to have kids, is HCG really necessary in HRT?

 

[koolkatarbtl]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

If you don't want to have kids, is HCG really necessary in HRT?

No. Some say it has other functions such as aiding pregnenolone production in the testies, etc, but in terms of overall well-being, it's a mixed bag. It's also expensive, a pain in the ass to travel with, high maintenance (needs to be refrigerated at all times) and has a short half-life of 30 days so even if you're only halfway through your 10,000IU vial after a month, it's already started losing its effectiveness.

One guy even reported he started having suicidal depression after starting HCG. It immediatly ceased upon discontinuing the HCG.

I believe that with time, there will be much better alternatives as far as "patching up" goes while on low-dose T for HRT. So far, HCG and sermorelin are all we got and they are far from perfect.

 

[ILLICT]

Im down in New Zealand and latley PCT is getting harder and harder to get your hands on so are things like GH virtualy impossible to get. With the US governmant shutting down suppliers from China. Some of my friends cycle year round on doses well above the reccomeded range and they seem to be fine. Getting regular bloods done keeps it all in check. They just tend to add in and take out different tests as time goes on

 

[OMEGA]

ps yes you can recover but it may take 2-3 rounds or a bit longer then normal

HCG being KEY

 

[PhillyPA#1]

Im hooked. Not coming off!!!

 

[halfcenturian]

IMO if you are over 40...DO IT. I guess my only real concern is what to do when I'm 70 !!!........But, I'll worry about that if and when I get there.

 

[IronmanLV]

I'm 50 yrs old and have been "on" for nearly 5 yrs and look and feel great! I see no point in coming off. My natural test levels are less than that of a 12 y/o girl anyhow so why bother getting off? I have a body better than most bodybuilders 1/2 my age and I feel like I'm a 21 y/o and have the sex drive of one too.

Many of you may question the long term effects of staying on. For me it's not a question of quantity of life but rather quality. If I live to be 70 and still feel and look good it beats the shit out of being 95 and tied to a wheelchair forgotten in a nursing home sucking baby food through a straw.

Hell no, I'll never come off!

 

[galaxy]

It could potentially take over a year of hypogonadism before you start to come back and Im saying start to come back. Not all the way back. So for me the choice was easy to just continue with 150mgs test e every week and find some dhea with greater bioavailability. Perhaps the dermacrine

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

It could potentially take over a year of hypogonadism before you start to come back and Im saying start to come back. Not all the way back. So for me the choice was easy to just continue with 150mgs test e every week and find some dhea with greater bioavailability. Perhaps the dermacrine

Me to.

 

[MADBALL99]

hmmmm...

 

[markmark]

Nope. It will nevewr be the same for me again. 43 next week and i will never come off of test. I just add in stuff every so often.

same here at 40 just can not go without...

 

[Steroid.phd]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

from my personal experiences , and observations and even a few articles readed , i think this has to do especially with genetics and age! the younger you are, more easily recover , off course its not said in every where because it can result in a bad consequence if the "noobs" ( younger with no or less knowledge ) go out cycling like a hell thinking that they will recover bcause their age rs and using it like a excuse, and off course is not the age only , the genetics is the mainly reason and you should take in consideration both when you think in go back to normal after cycle! i said that becase my personal experience after a few cycles and blood works done and 100% recovery in a few my e2 was a little higher but nothing out from control , and then i started to observe my family and their blood works , my uncles , grandpa and father and even my aunt , all of them always with high test, so in your dna its like you have a predeterminate capacity to estimulate hpta and a test level that will stay around easily! i think i didnt explain it well , sorry im already having serious problems with the language , ill reelaborate my post if you need a more clean info

 

[doublebicep]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

It'd be fair to say that if you do this for years, expect to go on HRT early in life.

^^^

I see young guys who are obviously using and even talk about it openly at the gym. At a time when thier natural test and GH levels are where I would love my levels to be naturally or even be at on HRT, they are potentially screwing themselves up for life.

Def time to change gyms.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

I think recover is different from person to person... Only blood work will tell the truth bro....Before and After to acheive levels back....

 

[stevesmi]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

not likely.

the boards are a great place to share information and i went through this entire thread and not a single person said they were on more than a year and came off and felt normal again. the ones that said it was possible are either guys on HRT (how ironic) or never tried staying on a long time and coming off. also there was a thread where I offered 10M karma or something like that for anyone to come forward with proof they were normal after a 1year or more cycle and no one ever did.. you can live a normal life i'm sure running a long pct. the body is a resilient thing.

its best to cycle short even if you are competing. just gotta time your cycle correctly.

 

[RADAR]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Personally ,I almost hardly ever come off,altho i have a few months now and then where i either drop the dosage or stop all together, altho it's rare but! bear in mind i'm 60.

 

[eddymerckx]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

I tried for the last 18 months and was f'in miserable. Lost speed, strength, and worst of all, recovery time virtually tripled (tracked with Garmin 410 GPS/HRmonitor/and Power Meter on my rear wheel---the changes were nothing short of dramatic---well super crappy dramatic (and this is with good blood numbers)--though I did grow back some hair, but otherwise I would rather race into my 60s and croak then live like this--even broke my hand in softball (not that there is a connection but I blame it anyway). Suffice to say 45 is not 25 and I am not happy about it and if I can go down fighting, so be it.

 

[doublebicep]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

Suffice to say 45 is not 25 and I am not happy about it and if I can go down fighting, so be it.

I am in my 50's and agree with you and RADAR 100%. I don't understand why guys that have no intention of going pro use gear and HGH in their teens and early 20's!









-db-

 

[Liquid 2009]

No.

 

[needsize]

Re: Do you think you can ever go back to "normal" after being on for very long period

I tend to stay on for years at a time, smaller doses followed by heavy cycles, then back to smaller doses...but every now and then I come off completely, and thanks to hcg use during my cycle, and proper pct when I come off, I look excatly the same, I dont lose any size, I just miss the "on top of the world" feeling that comes with test
long term use just means paying attention to details, ie dht as it can lead to prostate issues

 

[Anabolic187]

I dont see why not but everyones different..

I have been on for years and off for years and on and off again and again.

Back to normal but tend to put on more fat easily but thats maybe because im getting older..

I cant see myself achieving amazing results without proper diet and hard work and of course a low dose of test (trt dose) now that i seen results from meds..