Do you count BCAAs towards your calories/protein?

[Headholio]

That assertion is based upon the fact that all the studies that show BCAA being effective are in diets of the RDA of protein, which is 0.8g/kg. I've said this numerous times. Until they can duplicate studies where both groups have a controlled protein intake of at least 1.8-2.0g/kg, then the studies don't hold up.

That's what you keep saying but you've never shown it, not even once.

The only study that mentioned RDA was the study I posted, which meant at least RDA, and you do not know if the protein intake of the control group was adequate for the study requirements or not. As far as any of the other of dozens of studies on BCAA supplementation, you have never provided any documentation that any of those studies were with control groups of inadequate protein intake.

 

[Headholio]

Quoted for emphasis.

That is absolutely hilarious, that as a substitute for evidence, you quoted yourself!

 

[bigbassturd]

Germaine, how old are you?

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[notjake11]

Germaine, how old are you?

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Assuming he was telling the truth when he created his first post, he's 22-23.

 

[bigbassturd]

That explains a lot. Reading what people you will never meet have written about something you have no real experience in doesn't make you an expert.

Arguing with guys who have been studying this and testing on themselves for as long as you have been alive is never a smart move. Just saying.

 

[germaine91]

That explains a lot. Reading what people you will never meet have written about something you have no real experience in doesn't make you an expert.

Arguing with guys who have been studying this and testing on themselves for as long as you have been alive is never a smart move. Just saying.

More logical fallacies. Again, making your arguement void. If you don't know what logical fallacies are, google ----->

That is absolutely hilarious, that as a substitute for evidence, you quoted yourself!

I quoted myself, because it is a criticial element in this whole discussion. That single sentence, read it carefully.

As far as any of the other of dozens of studies on BCAA supplementation, you have never provided any documentation that any of those studies were with control groups of inadequate protein intake.

Because all studies are done on people with 'average' or 'normal' protein intakes. Can you not grasp that?

I'll say it again, because you seem to not be fully grasping it:

There are no relevant studies showing BCAAs are beneficial to improving body composition in a diet already in abundance of BCAAs.

You want me to find a study, to show there are no studies. Strong logic.

 

[germaine91]

I'll re-quote Alan Aragon again so:

Bodybuilders get marketed to death about the benefits of free-form BCAA when there’s no objective evidence of their benefit over the pre-existing BCAA within the matrix of real food.

Until I see solid replicated scientific evidence of the benefits of stacking supplemental BCAA on top of a pre-existing high protein intake (as compared to simply increasing total protein), I’m not going to buy into the hype. I’ve even experimented with my athletic clientele and had them ditch supplemental BCAA in favor of an increased protein intake. Not only did I save them a lot of money, but their Performance and body composition continues to improve.

 

[germaine91]

Do any of you actually follow the work of people like Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, Layne Norton, Eric Helms?

 

[notjake11]

All of my responses to the last few posts would get me a temporary ban.

I will say this: I hope that as you age you learn to have a discussion with someone you dont agree with without coming across as a disrespectful ass.

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[germaine91]

All of my responses to the last few posts would get me a temporary ban.

I will say this: I hope that as you age you learn to have a discussion with someone you dont agree with without coming across as a disrespectful ass.

I disagree. Give examples.