Deca Dick Test Results

[Roger-x]

did you ran test with your deca cycle ?

As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks!

 

[DFF777]

have you tried watchin porn, or getting some sex toys for your girl, that always gets me going when I'm not in the mood.

Yes I have and I'm still somewhat sexually indifferent when I watch it. Basically, my situation is this: I now have to WORK to get turned on, whereas prior to the Deca cycle, it happened automatically. My numbers may be spot on, but that damn Deca has done or is still doing something that is suppressing my libido. This shit isn't in my head. I've done steroids on an off for ten years, so I'm no novice, and know when something's psychological, and when it's physiological. And in this case, it's DEFINATELY the latter. That Deca fucked me up and I will never EVER touch the shit again. Ever.

 

[leedj]

DFF777 and All,

I'm glad a message like this has come about, after 6 years lurking I decided to share along my experiences along with yours.

I feel exactly the same about your situation, and appreciate the switching off to your libido that Deca has also done to me. And unfortunately continues to do so to this day.

I ran my first course 5 years ago

8 Week Cycle
35mg ED Dbol (4 weeks)
500 Sust
400 Deca

PCT
Nolvodex
Clomid

Within a few weeks of injecting Deca I could notably feel a massive shutdown in desire, interest and drive.

As you mentioned above, I was also very sexually active before, embarrassing hard-ons were common place and had no issues in bed (physiologically sound, no confidence issues etc)

My mistake was not to run any blood tests prior to this course (who does on there first??) and subsequently after the cycle was over I was left in the same situation as you.

Since this I have run 4 different Test based cycles with HCG, Nolvodex & Clomid PCT-cycles none without any great recovery & none which have returned me back to my usual self.

I note that my balls commonly are tight, undescended and tingle - which I suppose suggests testicular hypertrophy... however -

1 year ago I took it upon myself to have a blood test via my local GP (based in UK)

The tests showed mid range test, and nothing else that was any cause for concern - don't have the figures to hand, however the endo that delivered these details to me demonstrated that he knew what he was talking about.

Although relieved that my levels were healthy, I still lacked the sex drive that we both are missing.

In the last 5 years I have attempted the following products to return me back to normal

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Cabergonline 'Dostinex' (tablet format .5mg every 4 days) - made a slight difference, but due to the side effect of constipation I stopped this after a month

AIFM - Dried me out and, whilst on a Test Prop cycle this also reduced my Libido to nothing

Choline Bitartrate - Nothing

Cialis - Great, gets the boy up - but lack of sensation + with little desire mostly useless

Dermacrine - Like the product, but nothing in terms of libido boost

HCG - Have attempted 2 x 3 week HCG cycles along with Nolvodex, gradually building up the dosage (more info later)

Vitamin E - Along with the HCG as above

Proviron 75mg/100mg per day - Tried this for over 1 week, nothing.

Dbol 10mg AM - Nothing

Progestorone cream - you guessed it, nothing!
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I also understand the part where you must concentrate to get turned on, its mad, I also experience issues now with cumming, whereas before I had to calm myself down to prevent it cumming to soon!

All down to 400mg of Deca a week!

I recently began the following PCT protocol, this is my last effort before returning to the UK GP and re-evaluating my situation, as you can appreciate having 'I did ROIDS' on my records doesn't really do you any good in the UK.

At the time of writing I have been off gear completely for 13 months.

I am currenly taking

4500iu HCG M W F - Week 1
1500iu HCG M W F - Week 2
500iu HCG M W F - Week 3

Along with 20mg Nolvodex, and Vitamin E

My balls are back, but yes at the time of typing I am now in week 2 - with little increase, possibly a minor bit of excitement now and again - but nothing like before. Note, no Gyno or any water retention.

I'm really sorry to hear your also in this situation, I'm now 27 and still have hope that this can be fixed - anyone who has been in this situation before, please offer your advice and support.

There are two other posts which give me hope, if you haven't already read these:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328406

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504491

And this one, another guy in the same boat:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469952

Apologies for the long drawn out post, wish you the best of luck.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Deca wreaks havoc for up to a year or more for some guys... then part of it is mental... another part is age... I had no problems whatsoever during my 20's while on deca or after.... now, at 30, deca destroys my libido (even NPP)

If you didn't get prolactin measured, you don't know if that's what's causing it... you can try some dostinex, but it's an expensive "what if?"

Proviron isn't a bad idea, it shouldn't be too suppressive and it should help bring your libido back (that's what it was designed to do)... try 50 mg ED for at least a week (you won't notice immediate results so be patient).

I wouldn't do high dosages of HCG, it may help as a quick fix, but will cause problems later (estrogen increase).

ED drugs like viagra will only help you get it up, but it won't give you the "drive" you're looking for.

Try something like Tribex Gold (high potency tribulus)... take some zinc or ZMA at night, this could give you that boost in the morning.

Try some dermacrine - it definitely gave me a libido boost.

If none of this works, you may want to go back on a mild cycle, skipping deca and tren, then do a proper PCT.

 

[Magick69]

As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks!

this actually support what i was thinking for a while : many of the deca dick stories are psychological or people abuse the drug!!

there is cop who has just finished a cycle of deca + anavar (NO TEST) with no NO deca dick issue and 3.5 Kg of muscles

bottom line is if you use deca (better if Npp) for relatively short time and you do not exagerate with quantity; you will obtain results without any deca dick.. i am the next one to experiment an onlyc npp cycle with finasteride just to bash another silly myth

 

[njmuscleguy]

this actually support what i was thinking for a while : many of the deca dick stories are psychological or people abuse the drug!!

there is cop who has just finished a cycle of deca + anavar (NO TEST) with no NO deca dick issue and 3.5 Kg of muscles

bottom line is if you use deca (better if Npp) for relatively short time and you do not exagerate with quantity; you will obtain results without any deca dick.. i am the next one to experiment an onlyc npp cycle with finasteride just to bash another silly myth

Have to partly disagree with you there.... true, it could definitely be mental, and it could also be "abuse" (using too much)... but during my last cycle, I ran only 200mg / wk of NPP... a "therapeutic dosage" for my joints. It still shut me down pretty hard this time around, whereas several years ago, I could get away with taking 600mg deca and have no problems whatsoever.

 

[leedj]

I really dont think that its mentally the case, however Im open to any any suggestions now (in my 5th year) I still get the physiological effects on my balls, they generally are tight and partially undescended.

Those that have tried dostinex, theres plenty of posts on the frequency and volume of dostinex to take - but for how long, and especially if you are off cycle?

As I mentioned before the dostinex really clogged me up and thats enough to kill anyones libido!

Any advice on dostinex cycle length?

Im planning on using Myogenex prior to Dost as advised earlier in this thread.

 

[Magick69]

Have to partly disagree with you there.... true, it could definitely be mental, and it could also be "abuse" (using too much)... but during my last cycle, I ran only 200mg / wk of NPP... a "therapeutic dosage" for my joints. It still shut me down pretty hard this time around, whereas several years ago, I could get away with taking 600mg deca and have no problems whatsoever.

there is always the 'individual factor' but for how long did you use it?
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this is a good article by Rea

Q: In your first year sample cycles section for the male (In Chemical Muscle Enhancement), the cycle outlined for weeks 1-4 is 200 mg deca per week. now that much deca per week is less anabolic than what the natural test (HPTA) can produce (test being stronger than nandrolone mg to mg) . and because of the ester attached to nandrolone , 4 weeks long is hardly enough for blood levels to reach a constant level .

Also , how is deca easy on the HTPA , you go ahead and say post cycle meds are not necessary as deca is easy on the HTPA which we from multiple examples know is so not true , cases of testicular shrinkage , limp dick etc are so much reported normally on a deca only cycle sir . Can you please explain your logic behind this ??

You also mention cytomel increased cellular androgen receptor clearing (pg 181 and 182 in the book). How true is this sir ??

Looking forward to your answers to these questions sir , thanks .


A: Nandrolone is actually more anabolic but less androgenic than testosterone and as such allows an increase in muscle protein synthesis in excess of that seen with testosterone. So the next question should obviously be "why then does testosterone deliver more weight gain then nandrolone?" Since nandrolone is about 80% less affected by aromatase when compared to testosterone, it should seem obvious that the lack of GLUT-4 (increased muscle glycogen synthesis) activity will also result in a decrease in intracellular content but not cellular wall protein synthesis. Since we are speaking of post-cycle retention as well here we would be in error if we included the on-cycle increase in the body’s water table from estrogen/aldosterone resulting from the higher aromatizing testosterone in our comparison.

When we employ brief cycles of 4 weeks, a 200mg dosage of nandrolone decanoate would have an additive effect to the endogenous (naturally produced in the body) testosterone for the first 3 weeks. For a novice this accounts for about twice the normal rate of anabolism possible if diet is correct (anabolism is not potentiated unless the macronutrient environment is as well). Many do not realize that the body actually produces about 150mg of testosterone weekly. It circulates about 50mg of testosterone weekly, but it produces about 150mg. Much testosterone is lost to enzymic conversion to 4-androstenediols and various intermediates of DHT. So in essence we are creating a close hormone environment comparison to that realized at about week 6 of a 200mg each testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate protocol.

The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).

Normal

Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml

Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml
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I will try to follow the article (4 weeks; 300 mg) pct 3 weeks (4 weeks again)

 

[njmuscleguy]

there is always the 'individual factor' but for how long did you use it?
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For about 4 weeks

 

[Triple J]

suggest running some gh to help "re-generate" the normal androgenic functions, with adequate nutritional support during the run. adding some human grade T or schering proviron may help also. in my experience the chinese powder source proviron does not perform as well as the schering human grade