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DFF777

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As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks! :mad:
 
try some choline, i've heard this possible helps, maybe run a test only cycle or do some light trt for a while and then come off and see what happens
 
If it was 7 months ago and your test level is back to 490 I'm not sure if you can keep blaming it on the Deca. You are not at all shut down at 490. Defintily talk to Doc
 
It's mental bro. Get on some proviron and viagra for awhile to get the old gun runnin again. Once you get used to the wood, you should be able to focus more.
 
Oh, I know I'm not shut down. Not at all. Which, like I said, has got me really confused. And going to the Doc is a total waist of time. Their just gonna run the same tests, look at em', shrug their shoulders, and go "Duh, we dunno" - hence why I'm posting here instead.
 
Have you tried another cycle of plain ol' test? Like test p? Maybe 250-350 mg p/w? Perhaps with an oral?

I'm thinking that this might jump start your system.

Also .... Desire is very elusive and very situational as opposed to just being able to get it up and off. I had zero desire in one situation with a certain person and was a crazy man in another.
 
Desire...that's what I'm missing. Before taking the Deca, every morning I'd wake up hard as a rock and horny as hell. Now I'm like...eh, whatever. I could care less.

Backing up a few posts, if my problem is indeed mental, then why is my friend, who did the same cycle as me, having the exact same issues as well?

Doesn't make sense. And what makes it even crazier, is I used to do Deca all the time w/no problems. This was when I was in my early twenties, though. I'm 31, now.
 
DFF777 said:
As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks! :mad:
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psychological problems
 
psychological problems
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Whatever. I've used steroids on and off for over ten years, and I've been sexually active for much longer than that. I know my body very well, how it responds, and subsequently, I can attest, first hand, this problem isn't psychological. I don't know what's causing it, but something definately is out of place. Case in point, the last time I actually got turned on, without having to concentrate, and force myself to be turned on, was shortly before my first shot of Deca, which was in May of last year. Arousal before this time was automatic, now it's diplomatic.
 
bikercoz said:
If it was 7 months ago and your test level is back to 490 I'm not sure if you can keep blaming it on the Deca. You are not at all shut down at 490. Defintily talk to Doc
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True, and stay off Proviron. Only gonna delay things in the long run.
 
Slyder190 said:
True, and stay off Proviron. Only gonna delay things in the long run.
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i disagree. if his test is good which it is, his libido should boost tremendously taking some proviron, and it shouldn't inhibit his test production bad at all at a moderate dose of 25-50mg ed. taking more and other compounds will shut it back off.
 
DFF777 said:
Whatever. I've used steroids on and off for over ten years, and I've been sexually active for much longer than that. I know my body very well, how it responds, and subsequently, I can attest, first hand, this problem isn't psychological. I don't know what's causing it, but something definately is out of place. Case in point, the last time I actually got turned on, without having to concentrate, and force myself to be turned on, was shortly before my first shot of Deca, which was in May of last year. Arousal before this time was automatic, now it's diplomatic.
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Whats your blood work say?
 
DFF777 said:
Whatever. I've used steroids on and off for over ten years, and I've been sexually active for much longer than that. I know my body very well, how it responds, and subsequently, I can attest, first hand, this problem isn't psychological. I don't know what's causing it, but something definately is out of place. Case in point, the last time I actually got turned on, without having to concentrate, and force myself to be turned on, was shortly before my first shot of Deca, which was in May of last year. Arousal before this time was automatic, now it's diplomatic.
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let me guess this year you made more money then any other year
 
DFF777 said:
Whatever. I've used steroids on and off for over ten years, and I've been sexually active for much longer than that. I know my body very well, how it responds, and subsequently, I can attest, first hand, this problem isn't psychological. I don't know what's causing it, but something definately is out of place. Case in point, the last time I actually got turned on, without having to concentrate, and force myself to be turned on, was shortly before my first shot of Deca, which was in May of last year. Arousal before this time was automatic, now it's diplomatic.
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The neurochemistry of your brain may have been altered, at which point, it is psychological as well as physiological.
 
ive had this same problem. there is deffinitly something about deca that messes with your sexual drive once you stop useing it. I have no solution for you. I had to just recover on my own.
 
bro try some dermacrine or some mygonex.. give a another couple of months before you cyle again.. if that still doesn;t work run a test only cycle and then hit the pct hard
 
good advice man... bro i had something very similar happen to me.. i was bugging out for awhile and it just made things worse.. your pretty young.. just stay off for awhile and try some dermacrine.. youll be happy you did
 
I had the same problem for 6 or 7 months, don’t have any advice, Test was my answer, staid away from Deca and Fina for awhile
 
tupac said:
good advice man... bro i had something very similar happen to me.. i was bugging out for awhile and it just made things worse.. your pretty young.. just stay off for awhile and try some dermacrine.. youll be happy you did
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:)
 
Same thing happened to me. It took a year to get going again. It think i could have overcome it sooner but i think that i was so frustrated with the whole deal that it was a mental thing. It scared me so much that ive been natty ever since.
 
Really think about a test only cycle and dostinex, plus relaxation time I am on hrt and have had problems with deca but not tren when I cycle. I also have a very horny and understanding lady who even helps me convert my stuff. Relaxation, less stress and some changes along with dost and test preferably prop. should kick start you again, but stress relief will help the most.
 
Deca stays in your system for up tp 18 months. I had similar situation. I used Dostinex .50 E4D, AWESOME stuff. Plus.75 proviron and toss in some test.
And Cialis if need be. YOU'LL BE BAAHCK !
Some good hard core porn can't hurt.
 
thelion2005 said:
Have you tried another cycle of plain ol' test? Like test p? Maybe 250-350 mg p/w? Perhaps with an oral?

I'm thinking that this might jump start your system.

Also .... Desire is very elusive and very situational as opposed to just being able to get it up and off. I had zero desire in one situation with a certain person and was a crazy man in another.
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yea I can get it up and get it off because sometimes i feel i just have too, but I kinda don't really have a desire, I'm only 24, And i just start proviron @ 75mg a day, I've been feeling like this for 3 months now, hopefully the proviron can cure it

tommorow I start doing 600mg of eq and in 3 weeks I start test E at 500mg a week, I'm gonna see how I feel,
 
Well...things have begun to subtely improve. I'm feeling somewhat horny again when I spot a hot chick...and I can blow without taking a fucking eternity. My buddy, who's 23 (I'm 31) and did the same cycle as myself, has totally recovered. Hopefully, I'll get there soon, too. I'm crossing my fingers I won't end up being one of those guys who recovers on paper, but never quite returns to what they were before. We'll see...
 
look this is what you need to wake that motherfucker up.
go find the hottist bitch really think about ur type if its a escort fuck it atleast ur going to wake him up when she arrives.tell her you want her to wear something you want.like red heals with a red thong exc.
then your going to pop some dick pills to really wake him up so shen she arrives wearing what "you said" and looking fuckin hot all you want to do is fuck her.
but take your time and fuck it hard and slow or hard.
this is what i sort of did except my girl is hot and a porn star in bed
i was on deca and it fucked me up for 2mons.i took every dick pill around and creams for the fuck of it till i had my dick back to normal.but see im a freak and that might help you.and if you not try grab the bitches hair,nut in her mouth,smakin that ass.facials exc.theres always a way to make you horneyer look for it thats what i did. and day by day it got better and better so start with a hot bitch or try making your girl or a girl into a freak or whatever you like ....................
good luck
 
Run low dose cycle of test. I run deca like a mf with test and then low dose test afterwards and no problems.

Perp
 
Maybe your total test levels pre-Deca were much higher so really now you are only partially suppressed (hence you shitty libido)? What is the range and units for your free test?
 
All my numbers are right on the money...which has led some to speculate the issue is in my head which is pure bullshit. Since age 15, I've awoken hornier than a motherfucker every single morning and gotten riled up automatically merely at the site of a fine ass bitch. Now, I've gotta concentrate and focus like motherfucking Danielson to enjoy myself...and my damned Deca cycle ended 9 long ass months ago. Put all this together, and I'm wondering if this shit's ever gonna end. To summarize; I hate fucking Deca...I hate fucking Deca...I hate fucking Deca...I hate fucking Deca...I hate fucking Deca...
 
Your body starts to change at around 30 as you begin the drift into middle age. It might be little more than this as you start to lose the sexual imperative. We don't stay adolescent forever, much as we might wish it.
 
Friend, your numbers indicate physiological recovery and I doubt seriously that Deca is causing your difficulties. Certainly NOT prolactin build-up, whoever said that. If anything it would be progesterone-receptor activation and you cannot discern this from a normal progesterone level. There are so many other things to consider. SBGH for example. This could be binding up active test but still showing your levels to be normal. I would try a short course of Proviron and see if that helped (this lowers your test-binding proteins). If all else fails, try a short run of test.
 
DFF777 said:
Desire...that's what I'm missing. Before taking the Deca, every morning I'd wake up hard as a rock and horny as hell. Now I'm like...eh, whatever. I could care less.

Backing up a few posts, if my problem is indeed mental, then why is my friend, who did the same cycle as me, having the exact same issues as well?

Doesn't make sense. And what makes it even crazier, is I used to do Deca all the time w/no problems. This was when I was in my early twenties, though. I'm 31, now.
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have u been talking to him about this. could just be the fact that it started off as deca dick, then through that u (and ur m8) could have it buried in ur subconcience even tho ur natty test has returned? the minds a very powerfull thing, especially when sex drive is concerned. im no expert, but i know that sexual confidence is easy lost.

1 great performance in the sack could be enough to get the ball rolling again.

y not try viagra or something. ( i know u said uve no probs getting it up) but making a name for urself again is probs all that u and ur m8 need!
 
have you tried watchin porn, or getting some sex toys for your girl, that always gets me going when I'm not in the mood.
 
did you ran test with your deca cycle ?


DFF777 said:
As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks! :mad:
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ironclaw said:
have you tried watchin porn, or getting some sex toys for your girl, that always gets me going when I'm not in the mood.
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Yes I have and I'm still somewhat sexually indifferent when I watch it. Basically, my situation is this: I now have to WORK to get turned on, whereas prior to the Deca cycle, it happened automatically. My numbers may be spot on, but that damn Deca has done or is still doing something that is suppressing my libido. This shit isn't in my head. I've done steroids on an off for ten years, so I'm no novice, and know when something's psychological, and when it's physiological. And in this case, it's DEFINATELY the latter. That Deca fucked me up and I will never EVER touch the shit again. Ever.
 
DFF777 and All,

I'm glad a message like this has come about, after 6 years lurking I decided to share along my experiences along with yours.

I feel exactly the same about your situation, and appreciate the switching off to your libido that Deca has also done to me. And unfortunately continues to do so to this day.

I ran my first course 5 years ago

8 Week Cycle
35mg ED Dbol (4 weeks)
500 Sust
400 Deca

PCT
Nolvodex
Clomid

Within a few weeks of injecting Deca I could notably feel a massive shutdown in desire, interest and drive.

As you mentioned above, I was also very sexually active before, embarrassing hard-ons were common place and had no issues in bed (physiologically sound, no confidence issues etc)

My mistake was not to run any blood tests prior to this course (who does on there first??) and subsequently after the cycle was over I was left in the same situation as you.

Since this I have run 4 different Test based cycles with HCG, Nolvodex & Clomid PCT-cycles none without any great recovery & none which have returned me back to my usual self.

I note that my balls commonly are tight, undescended and tingle - which I suppose suggests testicular hypertrophy... however -

1 year ago I took it upon myself to have a blood test via my local GP (based in UK)

The tests showed mid range test, and nothing else that was any cause for concern - don't have the figures to hand, however the endo that delivered these details to me demonstrated that he knew what he was talking about.

Although relieved that my levels were healthy, I still lacked the sex drive that we both are missing.

In the last 5 years I have attempted the following products to return me back to normal

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Cabergonline 'Dostinex' (tablet format .5mg every 4 days) - made a slight difference, but due to the side effect of constipation I stopped this after a month

AIFM - Dried me out and, whilst on a Test Prop cycle this also reduced my Libido to nothing

Choline Bitartrate - Nothing

Cialis - Great, gets the boy up - but lack of sensation + with little desire mostly useless

Dermacrine - Like the product, but nothing in terms of libido boost

HCG - Have attempted 2 x 3 week HCG cycles along with Nolvodex, gradually building up the dosage (more info later)

Vitamin E - Along with the HCG as above

Proviron 75mg/100mg per day - Tried this for over 1 week, nothing.

Dbol 10mg AM - Nothing

Progestorone cream - you guessed it, nothing!
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I also understand the part where you must concentrate to get turned on, its mad, I also experience issues now with cumming, whereas before I had to calm myself down to prevent it cumming to soon!

All down to 400mg of Deca a week!

I recently began the following PCT protocol, this is my last effort before returning to the UK GP and re-evaluating my situation, as you can appreciate having 'I did ROIDS' on my records doesn't really do you any good in the UK.

At the time of writing I have been off gear completely for 13 months.

I am currenly taking

4500iu HCG M W F - Week 1
1500iu HCG M W F - Week 2
500iu HCG M W F - Week 3

Along with 20mg Nolvodex, and Vitamin E

My balls are back, but yes at the time of typing I am now in week 2 - with little increase, possibly a minor bit of excitement now and again - but nothing like before. Note, no Gyno or any water retention.

I'm really sorry to hear your also in this situation, I'm now 27 and still have hope that this can be fixed - anyone who has been in this situation before, please offer your advice and support.

There are two other posts which give me hope, if you haven't already read these:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328406

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504491

And this one, another guy in the same boat:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469952

Apologies for the long drawn out post, wish you the best of luck.

:worried:
 
Deca wreaks havoc for up to a year or more for some guys... then part of it is mental... another part is age... I had no problems whatsoever during my 20's while on deca or after.... now, at 30, deca destroys my libido (even NPP)

If you didn't get prolactin measured, you don't know if that's what's causing it... you can try some dostinex, but it's an expensive "what if?"

Proviron isn't a bad idea, it shouldn't be too suppressive and it should help bring your libido back (that's what it was designed to do)... try 50 mg ED for at least a week (you won't notice immediate results so be patient).

I wouldn't do high dosages of HCG, it may help as a quick fix, but will cause problems later (estrogen increase).

ED drugs like viagra will only help you get it up, but it won't give you the "drive" you're looking for.

Try something like Tribex Gold (high potency tribulus)... take some zinc or ZMA at night, this could give you that boost in the morning.

Try some dermacrine - it definitely gave me a libido boost.

If none of this works, you may want to go back on a mild cycle, skipping deca and tren, then do a proper PCT.
 
DFF777 said:
As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks! :mad:
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this actually support what i was thinking for a while : many of the deca dick stories are psychological or people abuse the drug!!

there is cop who has just finished a cycle of deca + anavar (NO TEST) with no NO deca dick issue and 3.5 Kg of muscles

bottom line is if you use deca (better if Npp) for relatively short time and you do not exagerate with quantity; you will obtain results without any deca dick.. i am the next one to experiment an onlyc npp cycle with finasteride just to bash another silly myth :rolleyes:
 
Magick69 said:
this actually support what i was thinking for a while : many of the deca dick stories are psychological or people abuse the drug!!

there is cop who has just finished a cycle of deca + anavar (NO TEST) with no NO deca dick issue and 3.5 Kg of muscles

bottom line is if you use deca (better if Npp) for relatively short time and you do not exagerate with quantity; you will obtain results without any deca dick.. i am the next one to experiment an onlyc npp cycle with finasteride just to bash another silly myth :rolleyes:
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Have to partly disagree with you there.... true, it could definitely be mental, and it could also be "abuse" (using too much)... but during my last cycle, I ran only 200mg / wk of NPP... a "therapeutic dosage" for my joints. It still shut me down pretty hard this time around, whereas several years ago, I could get away with taking 600mg deca and have no problems whatsoever.
 
I really dont think that its mentally the case, however Im open to any any suggestions now (in my 5th year) I still get the physiological effects on my balls, they generally are tight and partially undescended.

Those that have tried dostinex, theres plenty of posts on the frequency and volume of dostinex to take - but for how long, and especially if you are off cycle?

As I mentioned before the dostinex really clogged me up and thats enough to kill anyones libido!

Any advice on dostinex cycle length?

Im planning on using Myogenex prior to Dost as advised earlier in this thread.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Have to partly disagree with you there.... true, it could definitely be mental, and it could also be "abuse" (using too much)... but during my last cycle, I ran only 200mg / wk of NPP... a "therapeutic dosage" for my joints. It still shut me down pretty hard this time around, whereas several years ago, I could get away with taking 600mg deca and have no problems whatsoever.
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there is always the 'individual factor' but for how long did you use it?
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this is a good article by Rea

Q: In your first year sample cycles section for the male (In Chemical Muscle Enhancement), the cycle outlined for weeks 1-4 is 200 mg deca per week. now that much deca per week is less anabolic than what the natural test (HPTA) can produce (test being stronger than nandrolone mg to mg) . and because of the ester attached to nandrolone , 4 weeks long is hardly enough for blood levels to reach a constant level .

Also , how is deca easy on the HTPA , you go ahead and say post cycle meds are not necessary as deca is easy on the HTPA which we from multiple examples know is so not true , cases of testicular shrinkage , limp dick etc are so much reported normally on a deca only cycle sir . Can you please explain your logic behind this ??

You also mention cytomel increased cellular androgen receptor clearing (pg 181 and 182 in the book). How true is this sir ??

Looking forward to your answers to these questions sir , thanks .


A: Nandrolone is actually more anabolic but less androgenic than testosterone and as such allows an increase in muscle protein synthesis in excess of that seen with testosterone. So the next question should obviously be "why then does testosterone deliver more weight gain then nandrolone?" Since nandrolone is about 80% less affected by aromatase when compared to testosterone, it should seem obvious that the lack of GLUT-4 (increased muscle glycogen synthesis) activity will also result in a decrease in intracellular content but not cellular wall protein synthesis. Since we are speaking of post-cycle retention as well here we would be in error if we included the on-cycle increase in the body’s water table from estrogen/aldosterone resulting from the higher aromatizing testosterone in our comparison.

When we employ brief cycles of 4 weeks, a 200mg dosage of nandrolone decanoate would have an additive effect to the endogenous (naturally produced in the body) testosterone for the first 3 weeks. For a novice this accounts for about twice the normal rate of anabolism possible if diet is correct (anabolism is not potentiated unless the macronutrient environment is as well). Many do not realize that the body actually produces about 150mg of testosterone weekly. It circulates about 50mg of testosterone weekly, but it produces about 150mg. Much testosterone is lost to enzymic conversion to 4-androstenediols and various intermediates of DHT. So in essence we are creating a close hormone environment comparison to that realized at about week 6 of a 200mg each testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate protocol.

The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).

Normal

Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml

Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml
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I will try to follow the article (4 weeks; 300 mg) pct 3 weeks (4 weeks again)
 
Magick69 said:
there is always the 'individual factor' but for how long did you use it?
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For about 4 weeks
 
suggest running some gh to help "re-generate" the normal androgenic functions, with adequate nutritional support during the run. adding some human grade T or schering proviron may help also. in my experience the chinese powder source proviron does not perform as well as the schering human grade
 
DFF777 said:
As some of you may be aware, I've been suffering from the infamous Deca Dick for around 7 months.

I decided last week to get a full panel of tests performed, to see what was amiss.

Here are the results:

Total Test - 490

Free Test - 18.52

% Free Test - 3.78

LH - 6.4

FSH - 1.5

E2 - 26

Progesterone - .6

These results, for me, were PERFECT. Yet I still feel EXACTLY like I did when I was on the damn Deca!

Now I'm REALLY f**king confused.

I mean, if my numbers are right on the money, I SHOULD have my sex-drive back, but the mofo is conspicously absent. Mind boggling!

I know I'm not crazy, and I know this shit isn't in my head, cuz' my friend, who did the same cycle as me, has the same idential issue - an almost total loss of libido.

So, do any of you steroid gurus out there, have any suggestions, in terms of what I should do next, if anything?

And to clarify, I'm not impotent. I can get it up just fine...I just no desire to get it up....which really, really f**king sucks! :mad:
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I know the feeling.
My test came back at 302ng/dl. That is the LOW end of normal for me.
I still feel like shit.
I am starting to believe it is mental. A lot of different things come into play in that regard.
Best of luck!
 
The blood work shows a completely normal range of results for hormones. There can be other medical causes of low libido such as diabetes, anemia or cardiovascular problems. Even with normal free testosterone levels these diseases may result in your problem. As someone else mentioned, hyperprolactinaemia (too much prolactin produced by the pituitary gland) is another cause. This is also a common side effect of deca. I would eliminate these possibilities first before trying to move on.
 
There are some good supplements to try, liek MyoGenX which was already mentioned. Apart from that you could try bromocriptine which will do three things - lower prolactin (which might be contributing to your problem), make you horny as hell (nothing ever made me hornier than bromo - not even test), AND make you feel tired and nauseous for a few days when you start it. If dostinex makes you horny too, I would go with that one.

I'm not sure more drugs are necessarily the answer though. I'd go with some natural supps before trying more drugs.
 
John C Calhoun said:
The blood work shows a completely normal range of results for hormones. There can be other medical causes of low libido such as diabetes, anemia or cardiovascular problems. Even with normal free testosterone levels these diseases may result in your problem. As someone else mentioned, hyperprolactinaemia (too much prolactin produced by the pituitary gland) is another cause. This is also a common side effect of deca. I would eliminate these possibilities first before trying to move on.
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Thanks John, Ive been thinking about your reply. And to think about it IBS can cause a tight scrotum and low libido issues - I have issues in that area so am going to try out chollonic irrigation asap to see what effects that has.

Lee
 
Hello, I'm the OP from 2007. I had to create a new account because I no longer have access to my old email from when I originally signed up.

To provide an update, I'm 48 years old now, and unfortunately, I never recovered my libido after the Deca only cycle (the last steroid of any kind that I've done) and to this day it is unchanged. I don't feel one iota different.

Recently, I got blood work done (Lets Get Checked/Male Hormone Complete test), and I'm attaching my results. Things (for me) are actually pretty good.....except my Prolactin levels are elevated at 20 mg/dl. I know Prolactin can be a libido killer and perhaps this is what the issue was all along?

I plan on getting retested in about a month to see if this was just a temporary blip or if my Prolactin is indeed high and I will update accordingly. Now if it turns out that my levels are high, what do I do to bring them down? Caber sounds kinda dangerous from what I've read with some really nasty sides so I really don't wanna go that route. Some are suggesting high dose vitamin B6 as P5P as a safer, natural alternative.
 

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Hello, I'm the OP from 2007. I had to create a new account because I no longer have access to my old email from when I originally signed up.

To provide an update, I'm 48 years old now, and unfortunately, I never recovered my libido after the Deca only cycle (the last steroid of any kind that I've done) and to this day it is unchanged. I don't feel one iota different.

Recently, I got blood work done (Lets Get Checked/Male Hormone Complete test), and I'm attaching my results. Things (for me) are actually pretty good.....except my Prolactin levels are elevated at 20 mg/dl. I know Prolactin can be a libido killer and perhaps this is what the issue was all along?

I plan on getting retested in about a month to see if this was just a temporary blip or if my Prolactin is indeed high and I will update accordingly. Now if it turns out that my levels are high, what do I do to bring them down? Caber sounds kinda dangerous from what I've read with some really nasty sides so I really don't wanna go that route. Some are suggesting high dose vitamin B6 as P5P as a safer, natural alternative.
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@DFF Triple 7 welcome back to the EF family nice to see you here.

You want to bring down prolactin? but we dont know much about you except that you are from 2007, like food can be estrogenic and training can cause cortisol levels. WE need to know your log before we can help you, more details required.
in a NEW thread please start your LOG journal diary, share your training diet hormones supplements and more and we can discuss how to properly go next level

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Please post a Log Journal asap for us

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DFF Triple 7 said:
Hello, I'm the OP from 2007. I had to create a new account because I no longer have access to my old email from when I originally signed up.

To provide an update, I'm 48 years old now, and unfortunately, I never recovered my libido after the Deca only cycle (the last steroid of any kind that I've done) and to this day it is unchanged. I don't feel one iota different.

Recently, I got blood work done (Lets Get Checked/Male Hormone Complete test), and I'm attaching my results. Things (for me) are actually pretty good.....except my Prolactin levels are elevated at 20 mg/dl. I know Prolactin can be a libido killer and perhaps this is what the issue was all along?

I plan on getting retested in about a month to see if this was just a temporary blip or if my Prolactin is indeed high and I will update accordingly. Now if it turns out that my levels are high, what do I do to bring them down? Caber sounds kinda dangerous from what I've read with some really nasty sides so I really don't wanna go that route. Some are suggesting high dose vitamin B6 as P5P as a safer, natural alternative.
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p5p will def help with L dopa
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Hello, I'm the OP from 2007. I had to create a new account because I no longer have access to my old email from when I originally signed up.

To provide an update, I'm 48 years old now, and unfortunately, I never recovered my libido after the Deca only cycle (the last steroid of any kind that I've done) and to this day it is unchanged. I don't feel one iota different.

Recently, I got blood work done (Lets Get Checked/Male Hormone Complete test), and I'm attaching my results. Things (for me) are actually pretty good.....except my Prolactin levels are elevated at 20 mg/dl. I know Prolactin can be a libido killer and perhaps this is what the issue was all along?

I plan on getting retested in about a month to see if this was just a temporary blip or if my Prolactin is indeed high and I will update accordingly. Now if it turns out that my levels are high, what do I do to bring them down? Caber sounds kinda dangerous from what I've read with some really nasty sides so I really don't wanna go that route. Some are suggesting high dose vitamin B6 as P5P as a safer, natural alternative.
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What does that mean?
 
Hi all....so I'm taking Cabergoline to see if this fixes my problem....I'm on week 2 and just bumped up the dose from .25 E3D to .50 E3D.
In terms of my long missing libido...I don't really feel any different....however, my balls have gotten noticeablly bigger and ejaculation volume has increased as well...so I'm assuming that it's working.
 
If it was me I would go on 150mg test 150mg Masteron combined with 2iu hgh. Also would use Cialis daily. If you have a wife I would suggest u two shop around for a unicorn to spice things up.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Hi all....so I'm taking Cabergoline to see if this fixes my problem....I'm on week 2 and just bumped up the dose from .25 E3D to .50 E3D.
In terms of my long missing libido...I don't really feel any different....however, my balls have gotten noticeablly bigger and ejaculation volume has increased as well...so I'm assuming that it's working.
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@DFF Triple 7 you understand this is like dangerous right? we doing a lot of guess work here without knowing you well
we nee you to share a log with us, did you see the other logs we got?
 
You never stated your age so that makes it tough.

I my opinion you have low test levels. My trt doc like to keep his patients test levels around 1200.

I would try
Test cypionate 100mg mon and 100mg Thursday
Hcg 500mcg ed
Proviron 25mg ed
Cabergoline .25mg mon and thrusday
Anastrozole .5mg every 3days
Cialis 5mg every day empty stomach
Viagra 120mg empty stomach 1 hour before sex
 
Been on Caber now for a little more than a month and don't feel any different libido wise...the internets oldest case of deca dick endures.
Twenty years this has been going on. There is one recent silver lining though for any fellow sufferers scouring the internet looking for a cure. I started using Cialis about 5 milligrams every day....and after using it for a few months I discontinued it and my ED problem was gone and I no longer need to take it. I can only assume the Deca caused the little veins in my penis to atrophy and the Cialis with the consistent increased blood flow regenerated them. Crazy I know after something that's been going on for so long, but that's what I think happened.
 
I am 49 BTW. This whole ordeal started when I was 29. My total test is on the lower end of the range of what's normal at 380. However even when I was younger I never had super high test. It was around 500 in my 20's.
 
I could get on TRT probably even though I technically don't qualify but that's not a path I want to go down as steroids of any type cause my hair to fall out. Speaking of which the old "you're only susceptible to mall pattern baldness on AAS if you're already gonna lose your hair anyway" is a load of bullshit. The only hair I've ever lost is from gear and as soon as I stopped the hair loss stopped and never returned. I quit in 1997 and only did one cycle after that in 2005. Which is what led to our little problem. If you're reading this, never ever do Deca. It's Satan incarnate and not safe. Nothing is safe that can permanently wreck your dick.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Been on Caber now for a little more than a month and don't feel any different libido wise...the internets oldest case of deca dick endures.
Twenty years this has been going on. There is one recent silver lining though for any fellow sufferers scouring the internet looking for a cure. I started using Cialis about 5 milligrams every day....and after using it for a few months I discontinued it and my ED problem was gone and I no longer need to take it. I can only assume the Deca caused the little veins in my penis to atrophy and the Cialis with the consistent increased blood flow regenerated them. Crazy I know after something that's been going on for so long, but that's what I think happened.
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@DFF Triple 7 cabergoline wont help a lot bro if you got other issues
little veins in your dick to athrophy? possible
why do you think that bro?

and what cycle you running now?
 
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
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DFF Triple 7 said:
As far as as the atrophied veins/capillaries in the dick....I read that elevated levels of prolactin can cause this. Cialis cured that shit though. Literally cured it.
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@DFF Triple 7 you are saying you feel cialis cured it not anti-prolactin cabergoline?

your testosterone maybe was just low and cialis boosted it, did you check test levels?

are you training now? any dieting?
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
I could get on TRT probably even though I technically don't qualify but that's not a path I want to go down as steroids of any type cause my hair to fall out. Speaking of which the old "you're only susceptible to mall pattern baldness on AAS if you're already gonna lose your hair anyway" is a load of bullshit. The only hair I've ever lost is from gear and as soon as I stopped the hair loss stopped and never returned. I quit in 1997 and only did one cycle after that in 2005. Which is what led to our little problem. If you're reading this, never ever do Deca. It's Satan incarnate and not safe. Nothing is safe that can permanently wreck your dick.
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@DFF Triple 7 you should always use proviron with nandrolone. what likely happened is that your DHN/DHT ratio became unbalanced.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
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@DFF Triple 7 bro no such thing as deca dick. i bet if i put hot lot lizard in front of you it won't happen
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Been on Caber now for a little more than a month and don't feel any different libido wise...the internets oldest case of deca dick endures.
Twenty years this has been going on. There is one recent silver lining though for any fellow sufferers scouring the internet looking for a cure. I started using Cialis about 5 milligrams every day....and after using it for a few months I discontinued it and my ED problem was gone and I no longer need to take it. I can only assume the Deca caused the little veins in my penis to atrophy and the Cialis with the consistent increased blood flow regenerated them. Crazy I know after something that's been going on for so long, but that's what I think happened.
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Doubtful. Why just the dick?
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
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@DFF Triple 7 bros that an interesting story thanks for sharing

sometimes gear effect people different. lot of things can happen, that the risk we take using them
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
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@DFF Triple 7 A lot of times these types of problems can happen on steroids. It's important to learn from your mistakes and if something doesn't agree with you then definitely chalk it off your list.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Nothing. I'm completly natural and have been for a long time. Last cycle was in 2005.

From 95-97 I was on pretty much on constantly. Using primarily Equipoise from Mexico and sometimes Deca.
Yes I would get Deca dick back then....but then after about a month it always went away, and I was all good again.
Guess when I did that last cycle of Deca in 2005 my body had changed and wasn't able to snap back the way that it did before.

Regarding other issues, I don't have any, to my knowledge. Other than my Total Test being a little on the lower of the range of what's considered normal.

I thought about getting my DHT levels checked. I heard that it's possible to have normal Total Test and normal Free Test but have low DHT because of an impairment of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme.

Anyway I'm gonna discontinue the Cabergoline. I've been taking it for 33 days now and really don't feel any different.
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@DFF Triple 7 , thank you for posting about your experience and being honest about it.

I think a lot of people can learn from your trial and error. It's important to always make sure that you're running these compounds and aware of the risks and side effects.
 
stevesmi said:
@DFF Triple 7 you should always use proviron with nandrolone. what likely happened is that your DHN/DHT ratio became unbalanced.
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In hindsight this is absolutely correct. Unfortunately information wasn't as readily available back in the day as it is now. I had no idea permanent Deca dick was even a thing.

Would it be a good idea to get tested specifically for DHN and DHT? Granted any Deca metabolites should have cleared my system a long time ago but who knows? Maybe some of that shits still lingering. Like a plastic bottle that takes 300+ yrs to breakdown.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@DFF Triple 7 you are saying you feel cialis cured it not anti-prolactin cabergoline?

your testosterone maybe was just low and cialis boosted it, did you check test levels?

are you training now? any dieting?
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Caber did nothing, which was quite disappointing given the stuff you hear about it online, with guys raving about it turning them into porn stars. But Cialis definitely fixed my ED. I was never impotent though, just to be clear. Things were just more inconsistent than they were previously. But what Cialis didn't do though was bring my libido back. It's still in the tank. I haven't had any blood work in about a year, but will be getting some soon.
 
Since the Caber failed (thusfar I've only been on it for 34 days) next up I will probably take a shot of Sustanon 250 when I go on vacation to Puerto Vallarta and see what that does.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Been on Caber now for a little more than a month and don't feel any different libido wise...the internets oldest case of deca dick endures.
Twenty years this has been going on. There is one recent silver lining though for any fellow sufferers scouring the internet looking for a cure. I started using Cialis about 5 milligrams every day....and after using it for a few months I discontinued it and my ED problem was gone and I no longer need to take it. I can only assume the Deca caused the little veins in my penis to atrophy and the Cialis with the consistent increased blood flow regenerated them. Crazy I know after something that's been going on for so long, but that's what I think happened.
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@DFF Triple 7 cialis is good but i sometimes get headaches and feel sleepy on it
I would also take breaks for a bit, they'll take it all the time.

I don't know about the whole penis thing but that's an interesting little Theory you have. good information though.
 
SteveMobsterG said:
Doubtful. Why just the dick?
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Because the dick has a very high affinity for PDE5 inhibitors. And Cialis has zero known effect on serum testosterone. So the regeneration of damaged vessels from increased blood flow is the most likely reason for the restoration of normal erections. Of course there are other factors like neurotransmitters and Deca may also potentially cause damage to the CNS itself. I do know when I did any kind of stimulants like cocaine or amphetamines that non-existent libido issue disappeared real quick. But obviously these aren't any kind of viable long term solution.
 
DFF Triple 7 said:
Caber did nothing, which was quite disappointing given the stuff you hear about it online, with guys raving about it turning them into porn stars. But Cialis definitely fixed my ED. I was never impotent though, just to be clear. Things were just more inconsistent than they were previously. But what Cialis didn't do though was bring my libido back. It's still in the tank. I haven't had any blood work in about a year, but will be getting some soon.
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DFF Triple 7 said:
Since the Caber failed (thusfar I've only been on it for 34 days) next up I will probably take a shot of Sustanon 250 when I go on vacation to Puerto Vallarta and see what that does.
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1 where did you get the cabergoline bro? what source @DFF Triple 7
sustanon thats a whole cycle, you cant just take it and stop you realize that right?
 
Mexican Cabergolina .5 mg by Ultra Labs: sams.com.mx/ip/cabergolina-ultra-laboratorios-0-5-mg-2-tabletas/980015974?ss=selectPickupStore
 
Why do you think it's fake? That link I provided is to Sam's Club in Mexico.

As far as why I got it from Mexico? The same reason bodybuilders have been getting pharmaceuticals there for decades.

Why would you even ask a question like that? You oughtta know better.
 
25homes said:
Take dose back
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I already did. Now taking .25 E3D.

I'm considering discontinuing it though, since I figured by now I would have noticed some improvement.

Or should I stick with it? And if I do, for how long?

As a reminder, my prolactin was 20 ng/ml.

Technically high but not sky high. Literally right there at the threshold.
 
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