DC's training- what am i doing wrong?

[DOGGCRAPP]

bulldogg:::Yes, as I've said before...you will gain doing high intensity all the time...but your body will also overadapt...
you will gain from pretty much any type of training program, but after a while, if you don't change it up, it becomes less and less efficient.

Doggcrapp:: really what science are you pulling this out from? Your own? Lets see --hmmm adaption? Well volume is finite so you can do up to 999billion sets if you want to attempt that but what good is that if it takes you 3 months to recover. Intensity is finite--how many intensity techniques are there? five? 10? 15? thats finite. Exercises? how many chest exercises are there? 15? 25? Finite. So whats infinite? The load is infinite and that is adaption. If the load always is going up you always have to adapt to it! You guys are so stuck on "you must do volume" PROVE IT TO ME! So if Johnny slacker does 30 sets and Frankie Hardcore does 4 sets--Johnny slacker is going to have better gains? Bullshit! Lets bottom line this ok--(powerlifting notwithstanding where someone has to keep their food intake down to stay in a weight class)---When is the last time you saw a person who could bench 450 for 20 reps, deadlift 650 for 15 and squat 550 for 20 who was small? Cuz I sure as hell havent! Does that have to do anything with volume? NO--- Well if you do your 10-20 set workouts per bodypart once a week and it takes you 7 years to get to those levels and my guys are training bodyparts 3 times every 10-11 days and it takes them 3 years to get to those levels--my guys are obviously gaining more than twice as fast as you are. Everybody puts all thinking in "this workout today" what can i do to annihilate myself in this workout today that im doing. The thinking should be ok how can I get to point B from point A the fastest! One or two hardcore sets of squats with higher reps and shit heavy weight is going to make your legs grow. Whats 7 sets of squats, 4 sets of leg presses, 4 sets of hacks and 4 sets of leg extensions going to do? Make it so you wont recover for 10 days. Meanwhile my guys have trained legs 3 times in those 10 days and are soaring right past you.

Honestly bulldogg I actually want this. I dont want everyone jumping on the DC bandwagon. I want you and other lifters to keep doing the high volume stuff for a reason. Because my guys are going to FLY right by you and your going to have to admit in the future you fucked up. Is that cocky of me to say? Yea and I have about 500 bodybuilders online and 30 or so personal online trainees that have me incredibly confident of my methods. So ignore all the people that are gaining like no tommorrow--ignore all the pictures posted on the net from people ive trained--ignore all the people posting on the various threads and keep doing your thing. Whats hilarious is one of the best things to happen was I was able to use the net and message boards as my personal lab experiment. Ive had incredible success with people locally in person but before i put this out 1.5 years ago widescale on Animals message board--I really didnt know how it would effect the masses. Well the local guys Ive trained have been going at this for years and years now and some of the people on animals board have been going at this since the beginning of my first post too--and they are all still gaining so please inform me when all these gains are supposed to come to some sort of magical halt due to "adaption" and "need to do volume"? Most of my trainees are people with average to subpar genetics who I make into the best bodybuilders in their gym and their area but now because of word of mouth Im getting genetically elite bodybuilders and I can turn those guys into superfreaks! Im online training about 6 nationally ranked competitors now so lets see what happens shall we? How many people do i have to put on 40-60lbs of muscle on --in their first year with me for some people to get the drift? See I dont understand human nature sometimes. Personally I would feel like a complete idiot--if 500 people were on a message board saying "HMB sucks" but I come on there and tell them "its the greatest thing since sliced bread!"--Theres 4 guys on chad nichols board with pics, theres a 113 THOUSAND view post on animals board with everyone and their mother on it, and theirs some huge posts on this board and yet you still can sit there and say "well it will work for some but will stop working soon"---good luck to you

 

[louden_swain]

See. . . DC. . .you always bring up good points. . .thats how you have convinced me that the program is legit, because you are able to offer rational well-thought ideas on training.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Dogg crapp...I think you got me wrong...I'm not bashing your program dude, so don't bash me. If you want to exhange ideas, great...I'm all for it. But if you're going to pull this shit, then forget it.

You base your program on sound ideas, yes...but only a few ideas. In my opinion (along with MANY other training professionals probably with alot more experience than you, and that train alot more people than you) linear intensification is one of the most common mistakes in training.

I'm not saying your program doesn't work, because from what I hear...it does. I'm just saying that it's not for me, and I wouldn't advise anyone to follow it because when I become a trainer/or strength coach, I will be training athletes...and they will need to do volume, speed work, etc...they can't just keep moving ever increasing loads.

One more thing...I will never believe in any program that says that it is the say all end all in training. EVERY other training program I've studied admits that there are other ways to train, everything will give gains, and their program is not for everyone. And since people make great gains on many different programs...I believe this.

What are your credentials by the way? Not asking that in a negative way...I'm just curious. Do you have a website or anything? aside from the one in the sticky.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I am about to begin working with him... Hope it is okay that I post that.. But I am looking foreward to it in a major way. I will post pics from when I start with him and a year from that time... So it will be a while down the road, but I am confident after doing some research on his methods that I am going to get great results.

As for my training history,, I have pretty much always done the standard 8 to 12 sets per b.p.. I have been training off and on for almost 10 years. Currently I am around 250 lbs at 11 or 12% BF. I am looking to push close to 3 bill in a year and a half if I can't get there sooner.

Well definitely keep us updated. And one thing that I can already see that you've been doing wrong is that you've been in the 8-12 rep range for as long as "always" is. You gotta drop the reps and up the intensity every now and again. But I guess you've committed to DC, so we'll see what he does for you. Seems like you'll make good gains when you start a new program...good luck bro.

 

[casualbb]

I'd like to weigh in for a sec.

DC is great as a hypertrophy program. I think that for sheer muscle growth, progressive load and frequent workouts are all you really need. DC does this, HST does this, etc.

But that tends to ignore all the other strength factors. Stuff like dynamic speed work, varying rep ranges, higher volume to induce fatigue and neural adaptation...these things are all ignored in a pure hypertrophy program.

I'd never say that the DC program doesn't cause growth because it obviously does. But if an athlete is looking for performance rather than sheer bodybuilding size I'd never recommend it. Is that fair?

-casual

 

[louden_swain]

And one thing that I can already see that you've been doing wrong is that you've been in the 8-12 rep range for as long as "always" is. You gotta drop the reps and up the intensity every now and again.

How can 8 to 12 reps not be intense?

I am convinced that you are one of these people who like fixed reps. When you say you will peform a set of 5 reps. . .thats when you will stop even if you can get an additional 2 reps. That is not intense what so ever.

 

[Bulldog_10]

How can 8 to 12 reps not be intense?

I am convinced that you are one of these people who like fixed reps. When you say you will peform a set of 5 reps. . .thats when you will stop even if you can get an additional 2 reps. That is not intense what so ever.

I didn't say it can't be intense...but don't you think that using a weight that you can only do 2-3 times would be more intense? I know I can lift a heavier weight for 2-3 reps than I can for 8-12.

And I guess you can say that I'm one of "those people" that likes fixed reps. The way I look at it, if I'm doing 8-12 reps on a set...and I can only do 7, the weight is too heavy, so I lower it a bit...and If I can get 13, it's too light, so I up it. Until I get to the perfect weight that I can do somewhere in the 8-12 range.

Then after a few weeks of this, I move onto a different rep range.

I don't know why you guys are taking all this personally.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I'd like to weigh in for a sec.

DC is great as a hypertrophy program. I think that for sheer muscle growth, progressive load and frequent workouts are all you really need. DC does this, HST does this, etc.

But that tends to ignore all the other strength factors. Stuff like dynamic speed work, varying rep ranges, higher volume to induce fatigue and neural adaptation...these things are all ignored in a pure hypertrophy program.

I'd never say that the DC program doesn't cause growth because it obviously does. But if an athlete is looking for performance rather than sheer bodybuilding size I'd never recommend it. Is that fair?

-casual

Thank you!

 

[louden_swain]

I'd like to weigh in for a sec.
But that tends to ignore all the other strength factors. Stuff like dynamic speed work, varying rep ranges, higher volume to induce fatigue and neural adaptation...these things are all ignored in a pure hypertrophy program.

I'd never say that the DC program doesn't cause growth because it obviously does. But if an athlete is looking for performance rather than sheer bodybuilding size I'd never recommend it. Is that fair?

-casual

I think this is reasonable. . . for example, right now my squat routine includes an alternation between heavy workouts and light speed workouts (10 sets of 2 reps).

For now, I am not following DC exactly, but I have customized a program that includes some speed work and a lot of accessory work such as:

good mornings
stiff leg deadlifts
wide stance hip chain suspended squats
leg extensions

I am training for both size and strength. .for me there is a close relationship between the two.

 

[Debaser]

One set per body part just doesn't seem like enough of a stimulus for hypertrophy, or strength gain. I'd think about using that system for strength maintenance maybe.

Now you're saying you wouldn't advise it because of training athletes. Who ever said that this was a program for training gymnasts or sprinters or whatever?

Most guys just want to get bigger and stronger. That's who this program is aimed at. If you want to be a powerlifter, do Westside. If you want to be an olympic lifter, do whatever. No one ever said these were the goals of the program.