Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Well I find this an intersting thread, and am grateful to BigAndy69 for admitting when and where things aren't working for him. I gave his original post only a brief read through because my gut reaction is "there's nothing simple about a diet where you have to constantly change what you eat every few days". My gut reaction is still the same. KISS means 'keep it simple stupid' and what BigAndy has showed us is that every one of us is different and you can't necessarily take a diet off the shelf (or off the web) and guarantee that it will work for YOU.
CUTTING DIET MADE EASY...
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BigAndy,
Much respect, but why not just keep carbs a little higher and protein a little lower? Planning on using protein for fuel is a very bad idea, imo. Carbs taste better and are much cheaper. Eating more carbs will also keep you from feeling like shit all the time.
This is why I don't understand those insanely high protein diets. Unless you're on gear, an intake of more than 1g/lb is not needed. You'll simply be using the excess as an expensive fuel source or storing it as fat.
Peace
[This message has been edited by JB3 (edited April 25, 2001).]
Yes, JB3, you are right in what you said. However, there are only a few ways to diet(excluding keto). Overall you need to lower calories either by lowering carbs or fat intake, or doing cardio.
I agree that lowering carbs to that level is very tough, and I hate it. But I dieted for 6 weeks using the 0.8-1g of carbs and 1.5-1.3g of protein. I did lots of cardio and got good results the first 5 weeks. The body gets use to this type of diet VERY easily. That's why I now use shock dieting, you're body will never know what you are doing next. Low calories a couple of days, followed by moderate calories, and just when it thinks you are going to revert back to low calories, you jack-up the carbs and lower protein.
This diet is for people that have plateaued(sp) and their bodies will quit losing fat. It can also be used as a "quick" weight loss diet. Because of it's extreme in nature and potentially catabolic it is better suited for use with gear or at least an EC stack, and you must keep a close eye on your muscles. For most ppl this will actually promote lean muscle GAIN, because their bodies are not accustomed to this type of eating.
I did not pull this diet out from thin air, it is a precontest diet that I have modified. Some precontest BB use a more extreme version of this diet.
"This is why I don't understand those insanely high protein diets. Unless you're on gear, an intake of more than 1g/lb is no needed. You'll simply be using the excess as an expensive fuel source or storing it as fat."
This is not an insanely high protein diet, remember that to lose high amounts of fat you need to lower carbohydrates drastically. Protein intake must be kept very high, much higher than the 1g/lb used for bulking.
Of course this diet would be completely worthless to obese individuals, but a highly trained bodybuilder(most ppl that call themselves bb anyway), it is the safest way to high fat loss. Simple diets just won't cut it for some ppl anymore.
I agree that lowering carbs to that level is very tough, and I hate it. But I dieted for 6 weeks using the 0.8-1g of carbs and 1.5-1.3g of protein. I did lots of cardio and got good results the first 5 weeks. The body gets use to this type of diet VERY easily. That's why I now use shock dieting, you're body will never know what you are doing next. Low calories a couple of days, followed by moderate calories, and just when it thinks you are going to revert back to low calories, you jack-up the carbs and lower protein.
This diet is for people that have plateaued(sp) and their bodies will quit losing fat. It can also be used as a "quick" weight loss diet. Because of it's extreme in nature and potentially catabolic it is better suited for use with gear or at least an EC stack, and you must keep a close eye on your muscles. For most ppl this will actually promote lean muscle GAIN, because their bodies are not accustomed to this type of eating.
I did not pull this diet out from thin air, it is a precontest diet that I have modified. Some precontest BB use a more extreme version of this diet.
"This is why I don't understand those insanely high protein diets. Unless you're on gear, an intake of more than 1g/lb is no needed. You'll simply be using the excess as an expensive fuel source or storing it as fat."
This is not an insanely high protein diet, remember that to lose high amounts of fat you need to lower carbohydrates drastically. Protein intake must be kept very high, much higher than the 1g/lb used for bulking.
Of course this diet would be completely worthless to obese individuals, but a highly trained bodybuilder(most ppl that call themselves bb anyway), it is the safest way to high fat loss. Simple diets just won't cut it for some ppl anymore.
"...and just when [your body] thinks you are going to revert back to low calories, you jack-up the carbs and lower protein."
Can your body really anticipate this sort of thing?
"This is not an insanely high protein diet, remember that to lose high amounts of fat you need to lower carbohydrates drastically."
I disagree, but that's my opinion.
"Protein intake must be kept very high, much higher than the 1g/lb used for bulking."
Again, I disagree... unless juicing.
I have never competed or used a pre-comp diet, so really don't have any experience with such a specific diet.
Peace
Can your body really anticipate this sort of thing?
"This is not an insanely high protein diet, remember that to lose high amounts of fat you need to lower carbohydrates drastically."
I disagree, but that's my opinion.
"Protein intake must be kept very high, much higher than the 1g/lb used for bulking."
Again, I disagree... unless juicing.
I have never competed or used a pre-comp diet, so really don't have any experience with such a specific diet.
Peace
I think we've pretty much argued our points, and we still disagree, that's okay.
I think what you are failing to understand that this is a CUTTING diet. Although, it can be used for fast fat loss, it is different than a simple fat loss diet.
Maybe someone with some experience can express their opinion on the subject of increasing protein intake while dieting to hold off muscle loss.
I think what you are failing to understand that this is a CUTTING diet. Although, it can be used for fast fat loss, it is different than a simple fat loss diet.
Maybe someone with some experience can express their opinion on the subject of increasing protein intake while dieting to hold off muscle loss.
I just remembered that I said I was going to post my exact diet:
********Morning******Afternoon*
Mon: **Cardio*********Back****
Tues: **Chest******************
Wed: **Cardio*********Arms****
Thurs:**Abs/cardio*************
Fri: **Cardio*****Delts/Rot.Cuff
Sat: *************************
Sun: ***Legs/light total body pumping session***
Phase1:
7am: 1 adipo
7:30: Workout
8:30:
P:40g
C:8g
F:6g
11:00: 1 adipo
11:30: P:40 C:8 F:4
1:30: P:40 C:8 F:4
3:00: 1 adipo
3:30: P:60 C:5 F:6
4:30: Workout
5:30: P:25 C:45 F:2
6:00: P:70 C:3 F:10
8:30: P:45 C:2 F:10
*Note tues I have most of my carbs at breakfest.*
Phase 2
7am: 1 adipo
7:30: cardio(1L of H20)
8:30: Workout
P:25g
C:50g
F:6g
11:00: 1 adipo
11:30: P:30 C:19 F:4
1:30: P:22 C:21 F:4
3:00: 1 adipo
3:30: P:40 C:35 F:6
4:30: Workout
5:30: P:30 C:65 F:2
6:00: P:60 C:3 F:10
8:30: P:35 C:2 F:10
Phase 3
440g of carbs
185g of protein
60g of fat.(Got a little lazy!)
I drink 4-5 liters of water a day
2g of vitamin C
4-8g of Metamucil
I am cutting back on some cardio now, but I haven't made up my mind yet.
********Morning******Afternoon*
Mon: **Cardio*********Back****
Tues: **Chest******************
Wed: **Cardio*********Arms****
Thurs:**Abs/cardio*************
Fri: **Cardio*****Delts/Rot.Cuff
Sat: *************************
Sun: ***Legs/light total body pumping session***
Phase1:
7am: 1 adipo
7:30: Workout
8:30:
P:40g
C:8g
F:6g
11:00: 1 adipo
11:30: P:40 C:8 F:4
1:30: P:40 C:8 F:4
3:00: 1 adipo
3:30: P:60 C:5 F:6
4:30: Workout
5:30: P:25 C:45 F:2
6:00: P:70 C:3 F:10
8:30: P:45 C:2 F:10
*Note tues I have most of my carbs at breakfest.*
Phase 2
7am: 1 adipo
7:30: cardio(1L of H20)
8:30: Workout
P:25g
C:50g
F:6g
11:00: 1 adipo
11:30: P:30 C:19 F:4
1:30: P:22 C:21 F:4
3:00: 1 adipo
3:30: P:40 C:35 F:6
4:30: Workout
5:30: P:30 C:65 F:2
6:00: P:60 C:3 F:10
8:30: P:35 C:2 F:10
Phase 3
440g of carbs
185g of protein
60g of fat.(Got a little lazy!)
I drink 4-5 liters of water a day
2g of vitamin C
4-8g of Metamucil
I am cutting back on some cardio now, but I haven't made up my mind yet.
BigAndy, what kind of diet would you recommend for the more "obese" folk out there (like myself)
I'm 6'0 and I weigh 230.
The diet that you are suggesting wouldn't be one that you would recommend, correct? How about the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald? You said that people you know who have used this diet didn't have lasting results?
Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks
KEB
I'm 6'0 and I weigh 230.
The diet that you are suggesting wouldn't be one that you would recommend, correct? How about the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald? You said that people you know who have used this diet didn't have lasting results?
Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks
KEB
It don't make a ratts rear what diet you go on or how much you lose, if you go back to eating like a freaking pig after you metabolism has slowed down your gonna gain it back with avengance. If you want to keep it off you must stay on a diet. Diet doesn't always mean cutting calories, it does however mean eating correctly.
cozmokramer
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I find that atkins does the job for me... just no carbs and I get pretty cut up!
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