Clenbuterol + T3: I'm gaining weight.

[Somtingwong]

Hey what going on, only made this account to ask this question and hopefully get some help.

Little backdrop.

Ive been on the weight lose/work out train for about a year now and at 6' I was 223 as of a week ago. 2 weeks prior, I dislocated my shoulder, which has stopped my weight training until I recover from surgery which wont happen until later this year. As a result, my work out have been cardio based entirely. Here's where the Clen comes in. Since I was limited to a cardio only workout and was focusing on cutting fat, I wanted something to help. Called up a friend who has experience with clen and he recommended that and T3, both liquid form (30ml/200mcg). I got both, and he told me to taper into it, start at 40mcg and work up to 120mcg, never more (for both.) I found a 3ml oral syringe and I've done exactly that with no change in diet/routine and have GAINED WEIGHT. In a week I went from 223 to 230. 7lbs WTF! I was hoping for a drop not a gain. I don't feel bigger, if anything I feel tighter and can see more definition. Is this normal? Just water retention?

Clen T3 (mcg) dosing.

1 40 40
2 60 60
3 80 80
4 100 100
5 100 100
6 120 120
7 120 120

I also started taking Excedrine Migraine, got some nasty headaches, cleared it up.

Average day schedule as follows.

6am - Jog 2km (cleared by my doc, I also wear a Sully to stabilize my shoulder)

7am - 4 tbsp Greek Yogurt, assorted fresh fruit (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, cherries, peaches), squirt of agave. Also taken is a multivitamin and a tbsp of OmegEssential fish oil (1000mg EPA, 550mg DHA). 2 scoops of whey, 300ml 1% milk.

9am- Clen + T3 + excedrine

10am - 2 cans of white flaked tuna in water (266g's combined)

1pm - Home made salad. Romaine and iceberg lettuce. Assorted veggies (tomatoes, red onions, cucumbers, green peppers). Light olive oil and balsamic vinegar dressing. Multiviatmin

4pm - Tomato sandwich. Single slice of provolone, full tomato, 2 slices of ezekiel bread

7pm - dinner (multi + fish oil). GF's request. Usually:
pasta
lasagna - ricotta spinach ground beef
cannelloni - ricotta and spinach
steak - 8-12oz
hamburger - no bun for me, lean ground beef from costco, 2 eggs and 1/2 cup of bread crumbs/2 patties (not sure on these numbers since we make more than 2 so we can freeze them)
pizza (tomato sauce, mozzarella, genovese basil, assorted veggies, sometimes with either capicola or genova meats)
Or we eat out, (sushi, Italian, Chinese, Korean BBQ, Vietnamese, etc) it's a meal with for us so a bottle of wine and whatever I'm feeling usually happens. Since we go out once a week, I consider it my cheat meal and I always keep it sane.

All meals are as home made as I can manage, noodles for pasta/lasagna/cannelloni, tomato sauce, most of the veggies and occasionally my mom will pamper me with some home cured meats. As a 2nd gen Italian its par of the course Since I know this is the meal that's by far the heaviest, when having the pasta's or pizza, I cut it back. Every at home dinner is followed by either broccoli, cauliflower, a salad, or corn on the comb. Sometimes a combo of a few.

9pm - 1 hour on the stationary bike, interval inclines. Average about 20km/ride. Also started wearing 5lbs on each ankle, figured it can't hurt.

10:30-12ish - I'm sleeping.

The clen and t3 are from the same company (not sure about company ID'ing on the board so I'll leave that out for now) and form what I've read are both legit products so I doubt I was given a weight gainer opposed to clen. For reference without mentioning names, clen's a greenish liquid, very sour kinda like apple juice. T3's clear, taste I cant really explain. Hands are shaking pretty good, was bad for the first few days, occasional random muscle cramps (jaw,hands,legs etc), and my heart rate has increased noticeably. Rest heart rate a week ago was anywhere from 57-62bpm and now (measurement taken at 7pm 12 hrs after dose) in the 77-85bpm. All of this is normal from what I've read and I'm assuming that the increased heart rate would help me burn. Also, while I'm on the bike, my heart rate about halfway through is hovering in the 135-155 range. Again, thought this was a good thing.

Anyone have any advice, suggestions? I hope it something I'm doing and not the product. I hate to have wasted my time, money, and most importantly my health for nothing. If I should stop, is there anything I should replace it with or just return to what I was doing before?

Sorry for the long read but I figured more info you guys have to look at the better.

Thanks!

 

[ultimate100]

Your diet Is messed up for someone trying to cut. Reduce Calories by 500 below maintenance and slow down on the carbs (you may be sensitive to carbs; More water retention etc...) eat more protein and drink 4 liters of water per day. I'd hit a Keto diet if i was having your case .. GL
Ps: Clen and T3 are not the magic bullet for fat loss .. Diet is. (although they help)

 

[lithium1189]

Clen and T3 won't do fuck all if your diet is shitty. Nothing will do anything if your diet is shitty, it's everything.

You're trying to lose weight but your eating pasta and hamburger, even if it's without the bun, its got higher amounts of fat. Lasagna, canolli, that shit is terrible if you're trying to lose weight, I'm half Italian, I know how tempting the shit is but get it the fuck out.

You need to keep it simple, chicken, tuna, turkey, vegetables. As far as carbs, reasonable amounts of rice, oatmeal, sweet potatoes. You need to figure out your daily caloric needs and as the poster above stated reduce it under maintenance. Also, your doing cardio after eating pasta, hamburger, and shit like that.

As for cheat meals, if your trying hard to lose weight, you should keep it reasonable, Korean BBQ and all that shit, no go, and lose the wine.

I would keep doing weights man, just avoid anything that would involve your dislocated shoulder, don't worry, you won't end up un-proportional because of it.

 

[Somtingwong]

K so the diet seems to be the common denominator. Read up on the keto a bit, its going to suck but it seems well worth it. Before I start conjuring a new diet, I need to know what exactly is holding me back given my current one. Heres what I see,

Milk (which I love to death) gone with exceptions of the shakes.
Dinners complete shit. Cut the Italian goodies, stick to steak and chicken.
Salads should be ok
Breads out completely except the re-up day
Eggs, how did I forget egg's.
Going out would be cut out completely, however would buying a salad/soup, no entree no wine be ok say once a month?

Yogurt is in a grey area for me but I'm leaving towards it being ok. As it is now, 80 cal, 6g of fat (4 saturated). 4 carbs (2 from fibre) and 2g of protein. Even though 4 of the 6g's of fat are saturated, from what I've read it's not a big deal. Also, milk is a no no by the looks of it, but what about just for the shakes? High in protein, and fats. If not reg milk what about almond milk?

Now based off of what I've read, the idea here is to bottom out you carb intake, use dietary and store fats for fuel and proteins to recover post workout. You to eat fats to burn them, how do bacon and mayo fit in (in moderation obviously)? Bacon would be introduced (if good), as a part of my first meal say twice maybe 3 times a week (2 strips). Mayo maybe be thrown into an egg/tuna salad.

Revised diet

1. 2 eggs, bacon, fruit (if the sugars are ok, didn't read anything to indicate they aren't). Fish oils + multi. Shake

2. Egg/tuna salad (half)

3. 4oz Chicken breast, olive oil. multi

4. Egg/tuna salad (other half)

5. 6-8oz steak, salad. Assorted veggies. oils + multi.

6. Shake

Yay or nay?

I would keep doing weights man, just avoid anything that would involve your dislocated shoulder, don't worry, you won't end up un-proportional because of it.

Can't even lift a shake with my right hand, weights are completely off the table. Had an MRI last week, large dent on my clavicle/humerus head, multiple tears. As much as I want to lift, I really can't. Maybe I can figure out some light resistance training, but it'll have to be signed off by the doctor.

During the keto days (sunday -thursday) 184g's of protein, 246g's of fat total caloric intake of 2950.

Carb re-up days (friday-saturday) 230g's protein, 1100g's of carbs, no more than 100g's of fats.

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

7pm - dinner (multi + fish oil). GF's request. Usually:
pasta
lasagna - ricotta spinach ground beef
cannelloni - ricotta and spinach
steak - 8-12oz
hamburger - no bun for me, lean ground beef from costco, 2 eggs and 1/2 cup of bread crumbs/2 patties (not sure on these numbers since we make more than 2 so we can freeze them)
pizza (tomato sauce, mozzarella, genovese basil, assorted veggies, sometimes with either capicola or genova meats)
Or we eat out, (sushi, Italian, Chinese, Korean BBQ, Vietnamese, etc) it's a meal with for us so a bottle of wine and whatever I'm feeling usually happens. Since we go out once a week, I consider it my cheat meal and I always keep it sane.

You are not going to harvest apples if you sow pears my friend.

 

[beastorious]

I've had a similar experience (gaining weight but looking leaner on T3) and in my case I can confidently say it was 80% due to my diet.

Basically had a huge carb up for 3 days. While this big of a carb-up would usually make me look bloated, the carbs (and water especially) seemed to be shuttled into the muscles, not under the skin.

Could have been due to the increased metabolism and better nutrient partitioning that T3 can cause, but it also could have just been a fluke.

But like everyone else has said, the diet is key.

 

[stevesmi]

just cause it worked for your friend doesn't mean it will work for you. T3 and clen aren't magic .. pretty much what everyone else said.

seems like your other results you are getting are headaches so it isn't working at all. i would stop

GW is a smarter choice

 

[ledhead]

That's one of worst T3 protocols I have ever read..

 

[shirlene29]

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