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Wow. Apparently I was mistaken here. I though this was a thread re: people’s opinions about circumcision NOT a thread to attack people personally for stating theirs which some don’t agree w/. Hmmmm …. I find that odd. I was merely stating that this day in age there is not “hygienic” reason to have your child circumcised. If the boy/man (whatever) cleans themselves properly then issues w/ the foreskin trapping bacteria, etc. shouldn’t be a problem (for the most part, there may be a few exceptions medically speaking) therefore it now comes down to being an esthetic question if you want it done. Another funny thing where pain is concerned, if you have been circumcised when you were a newborn (considering that is what were talking about here, this thread is regarding a child to be born in Dec.) I can’t imagine how you could possibly remember the pain. Your mind wouldn’t have been developed enough to retain that as a conscious memory possibly a sub-conscious pain receptor memory but not one that would affect your life. So next time you should maybe think twice about attacking me or anyone else personally for stating an opinion that is totally unrelated and not directed towards you personally. I simply was stating I find circumcised penis’ more attractive to look at all the time rather than just when it’s hard. Which brings me to my second and final point I’m a woman. Try a little background first before jumping to your conclusions. If what I said in my 1-2 sentence abbreviated post really made you that angry then I really think you need to be taking a look at how you deal w/ situations. Because I find what you wrote absurd, appalling and way out of line.
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DanielBishop
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So, just because a baby can't remember the pain later in life, does that make it okay?
Sorry, I'm not REALLY against circumcision or anything.... I don't think it should be done, but whatever the parent decides.... but if you were to inflict uncessary pain on your newborn for other reasons and justify it by saying "He won't remember it".... I think you'll get a pretty swift visit from the abuse and neglect people.
Sorry, I'm not REALLY against circumcision or anything.... I don't think it should be done, but whatever the parent decides.... but if you were to inflict uncessary pain on your newborn for other reasons and justify it by saying "He won't remember it".... I think you'll get a pretty swift visit from the abuse and neglect people.
I don't need to justify myself to anyone else who doesn't know me. You have no idea who I am where I'm coming from in life so don't cast you're judgments. This discussion is as sane as fighting w/ a vegan about meat or a devout religious person about another view. I give up it's over. But I'm quite sure the children’s aid society or whomever your local "abuse and neglect people" are have much more important cases to follow and things to do than chase after parents getting their children circumcised. Besides is it better to lie about why you're doing it. Because if it's not religious and it's definitely not medical than what other reasons are there? I'm not being sarcastic I truly would like to be enlightened because I've only heard the 3 medical, religious or esthetic. 
Starbrn
Hi,
Actually you should not really have taken offence. If you think about it we are discussing chopping bits off childrens genitals entirely without their (and often their parents informed) consent. So if ya can't get a bit upset about this then I ask ya!?
Anyway you are incorrect in stating that the medical issue has been dealt with since it does not come down on your side of the issue. There are VERY firm medical reasons for both maintaining the penis intact and not retracting , Chrome has a very long post on the first page documenting it.
On to the next point , there are now several studies which both confirm that trauma takes place and that the effects of that trauma can be felt in later life (besides the obvious fact that their anatomical rights have been violated). I refer you to http://www.nocirc.org/articles/rhinehart1.html .
I was aware that you are female as a matter of fact - I typically like to find out a few things from the member's previous posts to understand their views to build up a profile of the person's thinking. In fact it was because of the fact that you are female that I asked you a question over what you would do if faced in a similar situation with regard to your own (female) child in Somalia where both local medical advice and custom/aesthetics dictates that you should circumcise her. Unfortunately you have chosen to ignore the question.
Finally this board itself provides its participants with a forum to discuss "where they are coming from in life" in order that they may back up their points. Please do so.
Hi,
Actually you should not really have taken offence. If you think about it we are discussing chopping bits off childrens genitals entirely without their (and often their parents informed) consent. So if ya can't get a bit upset about this then I ask ya!?
Anyway you are incorrect in stating that the medical issue has been dealt with since it does not come down on your side of the issue. There are VERY firm medical reasons for both maintaining the penis intact and not retracting , Chrome has a very long post on the first page documenting it.
On to the next point , there are now several studies which both confirm that trauma takes place and that the effects of that trauma can be felt in later life (besides the obvious fact that their anatomical rights have been violated). I refer you to http://www.nocirc.org/articles/rhinehart1.html .
I was aware that you are female as a matter of fact - I typically like to find out a few things from the member's previous posts to understand their views to build up a profile of the person's thinking. In fact it was because of the fact that you are female that I asked you a question over what you would do if faced in a similar situation with regard to your own (female) child in Somalia where both local medical advice and custom/aesthetics dictates that you should circumcise her. Unfortunately you have chosen to ignore the question.
Finally this board itself provides its participants with a forum to discuss "where they are coming from in life" in order that they may back up their points. Please do so.
Mandinka
You've made your points eloquently and well. I've already added my opinion and experiences to this topic so I won't rehash them again. I was just curious if you knew that the organisation you are posting your links to - NOCIRC- is quite rabidly anticirc - so much so I think that they are hurting themselves in getting their point across. It is as full of foreskin fetishists as serious members and there are many comments that come out of that group that are more than spurious.
They are the group that financed an English study a couple of years ago which polled women about their preferences and came to the conclusion that women uniformly preferred an uncircumcised penis in a partner. What they didn't say was that the polling was exclusively held at NOCIRC meetings throughout the country. My cousin left the group in protest at that and you won't find a more strident opponent of circumcision than herself.
I'm not knocking your opinion, I just didn't know if you were familiar with the machinations of NOCIRC. I don't know of any completely agenda free information on circumcision anyway, but the way NOCIRC present their side of the story is often not completely honest.
Cheers
galain
You've made your points eloquently and well. I've already added my opinion and experiences to this topic so I won't rehash them again. I was just curious if you knew that the organisation you are posting your links to - NOCIRC- is quite rabidly anticirc - so much so I think that they are hurting themselves in getting their point across. It is as full of foreskin fetishists as serious members and there are many comments that come out of that group that are more than spurious.
They are the group that financed an English study a couple of years ago which polled women about their preferences and came to the conclusion that women uniformly preferred an uncircumcised penis in a partner. What they didn't say was that the polling was exclusively held at NOCIRC meetings throughout the country. My cousin left the group in protest at that and you won't find a more strident opponent of circumcision than herself.
I'm not knocking your opinion, I just didn't know if you were familiar with the machinations of NOCIRC. I don't know of any completely agenda free information on circumcision anyway, but the way NOCIRC present their side of the story is often not completely honest.
Cheers
galain
Galain
Hi ,
You're right about no-circ , they're a bit nuts but like I said earlier this is an issue that rightly upsets people. I got into this issue primarily since I went out with a German girlfriend for two years, I don't know if you know any German women but believe me their men are entirely passive,so much so that the women are almost entirely dominant . Female circumcision is a big issue in Germany (although it does not take place there) since feminism is so strong but unfortunately they refuse to give a shit for the male version which is at least as bad (unless one is referring to pharonic circumcision which involves excision of the clitoris itself!). Anyway she was a bit of a man-hater which got my goat up and I knew of a big black dude from Nigeria who used my gym but never took showers there - you guessed it - he was circumcised and was more than a bit upset about it too. So I read as much on the topic as I could, there's actually quite a lot of medical research done into it - most of it is available on the net since it's gonna become a political hot potato very soon.
So to abbreviate I could have bothered to look up the URL for the AAP's latest findings on the long-term effects of circumcision but I took the short-cur of going through the slightly nutty no-circ site.
I believe their heart is in the right place (protection of the rights and integrity of the child).
Cheers to you too.
Hi ,
You're right about no-circ , they're a bit nuts but like I said earlier this is an issue that rightly upsets people. I got into this issue primarily since I went out with a German girlfriend for two years, I don't know if you know any German women but believe me their men are entirely passive,so much so that the women are almost entirely dominant . Female circumcision is a big issue in Germany (although it does not take place there) since feminism is so strong but unfortunately they refuse to give a shit for the male version which is at least as bad (unless one is referring to pharonic circumcision which involves excision of the clitoris itself!). Anyway she was a bit of a man-hater which got my goat up and I knew of a big black dude from Nigeria who used my gym but never took showers there - you guessed it - he was circumcised and was more than a bit upset about it too. So I read as much on the topic as I could, there's actually quite a lot of medical research done into it - most of it is available on the net since it's gonna become a political hot potato very soon.
So to abbreviate I could have bothered to look up the URL for the AAP's latest findings on the long-term effects of circumcision but I took the short-cur of going through the slightly nutty no-circ site.
I believe their heart is in the right place (protection of the rights and integrity of the child).
Cheers to you too.
Galain
I just went through your previous posts on the issue. You were circumcised voluntarily at the age of 23/24 on a doctor's advice. May I ask exactly what the conditions/symptoms were and for what reason surgery was suggested? Perhaps a PM is more discreet. I hope I have not offended you bro in bringing this up.
I just went through your previous posts on the issue. You were circumcised voluntarily at the age of 23/24 on a doctor's advice. May I ask exactly what the conditions/symptoms were and for what reason surgery was suggested? Perhaps a PM is more discreet. I hope I have not offended you bro in bringing this up.
Mandinka
No offense my friend. I've copied the first paragraph from my previous post below.
- As you have probably noticed (or you soon will once you start looking) - on this subject you will not get an objective answer. I'm not going to be objective either. I had to be circumcised at age 23 after suffering recurrent balanitis. I was and still am very clean and hygeine conscious. Two showers a day did nothing to prevent this. Now - this may be just an individual quirk - I'm sure there are thousands of uncut guys out there who've never experienced this, so I wouldn't use it as a reason to circumcise your child. -
That was 8 years ago. I had tried everything to that point but I was living in the tropics and just couldn't seem to shake the infections. When the doctor recommended surgery I was a bit nervous but I didn't want to keep fucking around with steroid creams and antibiotics and so forth, so I went ahead with it.
BTW, your reference to German women had me in stitches. My lady of 9 years is German! It's been an ongoing battle to try and keep her from pulling my balls off and putting them in jar to admire while she runs our lives, but then, I fell in love with her because of her strength and because she know's what she wants.
You're from Ireland right? How's life over there? I love the place dearly and I'd kill to get back there one day.
Cheers
galain
No offense my friend. I've copied the first paragraph from my previous post below.
- As you have probably noticed (or you soon will once you start looking) - on this subject you will not get an objective answer. I'm not going to be objective either. I had to be circumcised at age 23 after suffering recurrent balanitis. I was and still am very clean and hygeine conscious. Two showers a day did nothing to prevent this. Now - this may be just an individual quirk - I'm sure there are thousands of uncut guys out there who've never experienced this, so I wouldn't use it as a reason to circumcise your child. -
That was 8 years ago. I had tried everything to that point but I was living in the tropics and just couldn't seem to shake the infections. When the doctor recommended surgery I was a bit nervous but I didn't want to keep fucking around with steroid creams and antibiotics and so forth, so I went ahead with it.
BTW, your reference to German women had me in stitches. My lady of 9 years is German! It's been an ongoing battle to try and keep her from pulling my balls off and putting them in jar to admire while she runs our lives, but then, I fell in love with her because of her strength and because she know's what she wants.
You're from Ireland right? How's life over there? I love the place dearly and I'd kill to get back there one day.
Cheers
galain
