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Carryover between Strongman and Powerlifting?

BigArnie

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I'm currently training for my fourth strongman competition on the 22th of December. The events at this particular competition are more strength orientated rather than endurance orientated (tyre flip, 300lb x 2 suitcase walk for distance, log lift, deadlift and stone load up to 330 lb) which is great for me, because I'm a competitive Westside-style powerlifter.

When I competed in another competition a month ago, I discovered a few things: First, when doing a truck pull, your legs are not working all that hard (apart from getting the truck moving at first) and that afterwards, you are more aerobically tired than anything else. Second, Westside training is a great basis for most of the events at a strongman competition. For instance, I was able to load a 363 lb (165 Kg) stone, while only two (out of 16) of the experienced strongmen who do not have a powerlifting background were able to also do this.

This made me realise that Westside training is a great basis for strongman competitions because of the emphasis on the development of the real power muscles in the back, gluetes, hams and midsection, as well as the development of explosive strength, both of which are very applicable to strongman events. I started wondering if the opposite might also be true. Louie Simmons says that sled dragging is one of the most beneficial things that any powerlifter can do. My truck-pull experience, however, made me wonder if there was not a better way of dragging something with the emphasis on power development.

I then got the following idea: Connect a rope (roughly 30 feet or so) to a heavy non-wheeled object like an 800lb tyre lying on its side. At the other end of the rope, connect a harness (simply a loop) made from an old car safety belt with some padding over it. Then, facing away from the tyre, put the loop of the harness around your neck so that the rope runs between your legs. Have someone place a step ladder flat on the ground in front of you. Kneel over forward until you are basically in a crawling position with both your feet on the first step of the ladder and your hands grabbing onto a step of the ladder somewhat ahead of your face. Remember the rope is now passing under your belly, between your legs all the way back to the tyre.

You now basically proceed to perform a heavy horizontal squat/sumo deadlift movement with your neck straining forward to prevent the rope from pulling your head between your legs. At the same time, your arms do sort of a rowing movement, pulling the ladder towards you. As soon as you come close to a full lockout, step forwards with your feet onto the next step of the ladder and repeat to the end of the ladder.

The ladder now enables you to perform a far heavier dragging movement than you would while simply pulling a tyre over a lawn or tarmac because you've now got something to push against (the ladder), meaning that the grip of your feet on the surface does not become the limiting factor as before. Also, because the rope runs between your legs, it tends to pull you forward, forcing you to fight against it with your midsection to prevent your head from ending up underneath your ass.

My logic tells me that this might be the ultimate sled drag with the potential to realise BIG gains on your squat and deadlift.

Also, doing power steps (basically standing at the bottom of a staircase with your legs spread over a stack of weights with a t-handle for a grip and the repeatedly deadlifting the stack onto the next step) might be extremely beneficial to developing the lockout of the deadlift. Doing power steps, you really have to get a very high lockout in order for the weight stack to reach the next higher step. You can go heavy here (I'd guess up to 600lb or so).

I'm currently busy collecting everything I'll need to perform there exercises. For those of you that read all the way though this loooong post, thanks for doing so and please let me know what you think. I might also report back with my findings in a few weeks.

Cheers,
Arnie
 
Sounds pretty intense. When you actually try it let us know how it went. as for me i think regular sled is gonna have to do it for now. I don't know where the hell i'd find a tire that big. Good Luck in your next comp.
 
Thanks, Grimmer! Yeah, I'll definitely keep you guys posted. It's actually not that difficult to get a big tire (at least not here in South Africa). All you do is go to a place that specialises in heavy industrial or mining tires and ask for a scrap tire. They are normally only too glad to give you one. I've also tried pulling my pickup truck. Simply park it at the bottom of your driveway and pull the handbrake up a couple of notches so that it can still move when pushed hard, but so that it stops moving as soon as you stop applying power. The only drawback is that I've gotta get the missus to sit in the cab while doing this to prevent the truck from possibly scraping against the wall. She normally starts bitching after a few runs!!

BTW you'll be amazed at the SIZE of some of the tires you get. It's quite humbling experience to try and flip a tire and not even be able move it of the ground. I saw one tire that me, together with two of my training partners could not flip!
 
Man, that's some intense stuff! Best of luck in your competition, and update us on your training.


ps: make sure you get a REAL strong ladder!! :D
 
Yeah, Prometheus, the ladder definitely needs to be strong. I'm planning on welding one together this weekend from some scrap square steel tubing. I'm also gonna give it "legs" so that it lies an inch or two off the groung in order to supply more space to step against.

I've probably gotta rethink the object to be dragged. Last night after gym we put my 600lb tyre in the parking lot and we were able to drag it in a hand-over-hand fashion while seated. Surely it'll be too easy to "squat" this tire on the step ladder. I'll have to go and fetch a bigger one! It's difficult to judge how heavy an object at a strongman contest really is. For instance, how much are you really deadlifting when flipping a 600lb tire? It doesn't feel much more than 350lb or so but I might be way out? I think we'll have to experiment until we get a tire that simulates a 500 - 600 lb squat on each step of the ladder....
 
The crossover between strongman and powerlifting is very small. I just came from a gym of powerlifters and strongmen in St. Louis this past weekend. When I lapped the 400+lb stone and almost got it onto the 50" platform...every powerlifter in the gym had to come over and try it. They had never seen it move before.

The guys that had previously squatted in the 7's, and a guy that I was training with who squatted 1004 in 1995 at a body weight of 233 could not pick it up either. Strongman and powerlifting is not the same, one must do one or the other. My flat bench has gone down a lot since I have switched most of my training to shoulders and overhead pressing movements. I paused 405 the other day on flat bench:(.

The thing that west side does do for a strong man is allow him to train with light and heavy days, improve speed strength, strength speed, and make him a better athlete. It does not allow someone to train west side AND strongman at the same time...you WILL over train. You must understand when to back off from the weights as you pick up your event training.

Get that tire going man...You need a tire much heavier than 600lbs....you need an 800 minimum!!!!! I have one that is a bit over a grand...and is non-mobile at the moment. I'll get it soon...before Boston!!!!

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