Attn Grapplers/Judokas/JiuJitsu guys!

[Trolo]

Guys Im into judo/jiujitsu and about to start my first cycle ever. Im 5'8 155lbs and low bf (can see four pac). Ok Im about to start on 100mg winny and 40mg anavar a day for six weeks. Thats it quite simple for strength and speed. No test since I want to stay low in the weight division. Ok my question for you bros is how do I take the tabs daily? Like at what hours? I got 50mg winny tabs and 10mg anavar tabs. I heard winny makes you not sleep so I guess none before bedtime. Also will I need clomid or novaldex? How about glucosamine and milk thistle? Ive asked this question at 'bolex but Im still a super newbie in this so Id like different opinions. Thank you guys!

 

[genarr3]

Vinny is going to kill your joins if you do it for very long. Which from my days grappling they'll hurt without any help. I never took anything when I was rolling so I can't help ya. You'll get some good answers here though.
Bump for some anwsers to a good bro

 

[ripped1979]

i'm a second degree br belt.. in judo..

fight at 198lb weight class...where do u work out? definitely try anavar it will give u great strength, but dont bother withty the winny , it can give u stiff joints!

 

[B182]

First of all I'd throw in an injectible and tone down the oral dosage, that's way to high unless you want to risk permanent damage to your liver. (as someone else said to another in a different thread, see www.livertransplantinfo.com)

Trenbolone acetate injectible alone or with winny would suit your purposes nicely I think, without such a huge risk of damage to your liver. I'd go with 75mg of tren injected every day or every other day and with 20-40mg winny or anavar every day if I insisted on using an oral too.

Or, go with anavar 40-50mg every day for six weeks, but the effects won't be as potent. Either way, definately do not go with 140mg of orals per day as you have planned, if you care at all about your health.

And if you're scared of needles, just get over it, the pain is far less than anything you'd ever experience in grappling or a moderately intense workout, and often there is zero pain.

 

[genarr3]

I don't want to be the voice of disent. But do you really want to move to the 198lb class? Having extra muscle doesn't alway make you a better grappler. It helps take - downs, but when you're on the floor it can make certain moves harder. In my once case it made the triangle choke nearly impossible( legs to big) amoungst others. It's a give a take. The best grapplers I know are long and lean.
You didn't say how old you were.

On another topic: It's far better to go down in weight than it is to go up. I my case I walked around at 210 (not fat) but when I competed I dieted down to the 198 class. Not very many people that I saw did this in MMA and with usually a 15 - 20 deficit between classes it helps to be the bigger guy at least as far as intimidation goes I won a lot of match simply because of this. So my point is do not fat up to the next higher weight

 

[Trolo]

Damn the thing is that I already got my order of orals. How about if I lower the winny down to 50mg a day, 40mg anavar and 1500mg glucosamine plus 1000mg milk thistle? Will that work out? How about clomid and novaldex will I need those? Thanks bros you are cool as fuck

 

[genarr3]

You didn't say what you body fat was. So if you could keep the same weight and change that into muscle that would be ideal. You should be ok with the Anvar that's about the mildest gear there is. Keep a clean diet and keep the mat time up.

 

[Trolo]

Another thing, I didnt say Id want to move to 198lbs I actually want to stay at the 155lb mark or even lower would be better. I am good at my weight class but in practice I have trouble with bigger guys and I think with gear Id rule my division. That's why I chose winny and anavar to keep the weight gain low and even get more cut. Im 23 by the way. Ripped1979 when you do the triangle have you tried shifting your hips to your opponent's trapped arm side? That will help a lot on the triangle if you dont have the "edge" to sink the choke properly. Use a foot on his hip to shift to the side. Thanks again guys.

 

[Trolo]

So how much winny should I finally take? 100mg or 50mg? And at what times should I take my dosis? Clomid & novaldex? will I need them?

 

[genarr3]

Sounds like you have a good plan. Stay in the weight class but just cut it to the edge so you are the biggest guy. It wasn't Ripped1979 that was having trouble with triangles, it was me and my legs are big(years of heavy squats) occasionally I'll get one, but it's rare. Where I train everyones looking for it so it real hard to get those types of moves. I have to get the unexpected.