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A message about why there are so many busts lately

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Taken from William Wallace at www.bodybuilding4life.com

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As I sit here on my comp reviewing the plethora of busts lately, either in the form of controlled deliveries, or domestics going down, or vets who sell some things on the side. And I try to figure out the source of all this madness, I realized the reason for the busts was ourselves.

Let me explain, when I first came on the net (2 years ago) in search of anabolics, it was no easy task to find a source. They were hidden, buried deep within the message boards, and given only to people who earned respect and the right to be given a source, then a funny thing happened.....

Open source posting, I am not sure who was the first to start the trend, but once it started it was like an avalanche, meso became open source, triedia became open source, and a bunch of smaller boards started source sections (Mr. Spot Me's boards), now obtaining a source was easy, they were everywhere, they still are everywhere, but now so are the FEDS.

We have made the job of the FEDS very easy, they can log into meso and gather intelligence on sources (and us) in an instant, and its not just meso, its AB, its AU, its almost everywhere (but not here on bodybuilding4life.com).

For a long time I thought, the Feds knew about AS but as long as rec drugs were not being sold with AS there was a blind eye turned towards AS. This was even evident in some of the caselaw I read and reviewed. But after the last few months, I think the feds are caring a lot more about AS, no rec drugs needed.

So are the Feds to blame? In a way...but they are just enforcing the law, there job. So maybe no one is to blame? Well...Perhaps. But better yet, in truth, WE ARE ALL TO BLAME, yes us, the internet bodybuilding community, this sub-culture we have carved out for ourselves. We have made it easy to access sources, too easy, and in turn we have made ourselves targets, and big easy to hit targets. Not only do we talk about sources, but as side notes we reveal personal details about our lives that can be traced and recorded, and forget about how much information a simple IP trace can reveal.

So what is the solution? I am glad you asked. I have now become an advocate for taking sources underground, I think we as a community for our own safety need to stop this open source posting everywhere. So what is required of you? We stop visiting sites that have open posting, we shun sources that flaunt there services. We patronize the sources that have a discreet small customer base, and rely on refferals from vets and mods. We give bsiness to international sources that operate with discreet e-mails and that do not openly post there services.

Will this stop busts or the Feds, no, it will not, but it will make there job harder, and it will make our lives safer. Do not think for a moment it does not piss the feds off to see so many open source boards flaunting the sale of narcotics. I am sure if the feds read this they may nod that it will stop there rush to kill sources, and the customers that keep those sources open for business.

Agree with me or disagree with me, but one point that can not be argued is that business can no longer continue as usual, we need to reform the system we have created, and yes we created it, you and I, and all the mods, and admins. We must change or risk being branded as a criminal and facing the leagal consequences for our AS usage.

Feel free to pass this along, or at least spread the message.

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My thoughts:

Mods and Vets and others...though it's still too early to tell what kind of heat we are really going to have brought down upon us, perhaps it is time to really tighten things up...as we have seen in the past few days, giving sources to little-knowns or unknowns IS dangerous for everyone...

I think that the feds will definitely waste less time on us if we didnt make it SO EASY to find a source....to those of you who like to 'feel cool' (for lack of better) by giving out sources to unknowns, practice the always effective art of "shutting the fuck up" to be blunt.

Think about it, there are sources flying around everywhere...now when the feds can logon to any board and get 10 sources within a month or 2 of posting, of course they are going to go for it...good numbers...but if they were to have to spend months posting to become a respected member to finally get 1 or 2 domestic names, its doubtful they would dedicate the resources...and,

Newbies to the boards dont need a source right away, they need to spend a few months researching anyway before they hop on gear....

With this post and the other I am not trying to come off as a hardass...but I think things need to be cleansed a bit, we must adapt to survive so to speak.
 
Although I think it's a great idea to stop it, open source posting will always occur somewhere. There will always be some newbie looking for a source, just as there will always be a source/scammer who wishes to service him. You can choose not to visit these sites, but people like you and WW, who have been given the "keys to the gate" arent the type that are so attracted to open source boards.

The only thing you can do is protect the names of your sources, and try inform people of its dangers with posts like yours, but I believe open source boards are here to stay.....
 
Yossarian2000 said:
Although I think it's a great idea to stop it, open source posting will always occur somewhere. There will always be some newbie looking for a source, just as there will always be a source/scammer who wishes to service him. You can choose not to visit these sites, but people like you and WW, who have been given the "keys to the gate" arent the type that are so attracted to open source boards.

The only thing you can do is protect the names of your sources, and try inform people of its dangers with posts like yours, but I believe open source boards are here to stay.....


True but I firmly believe that something can always be done, and do not believe in idly sitting by while good people fall.....education is the key and this is the methodology.
 
People who complain about scammers are just drawing attention to them selfs too. It would be easy for a Fed to ask a "victim" to cooperate in an investigation. The point being if you were scammed so be it, dont cry over spilled milk cause you can bring more problems to your self than the couple hundred dollars you lost. "So and so owes me some Fina" what a brilliant statement if you want to get questioned at the least. Thats almost as bad as open source posting. You have just informed the world that you use gear and know where to buy it. And who only ever had one source. Users have multiple sources and the cops know it.

Dont make the feds job any easier, speak in the third person or refer to a freind or an aquantance. There is no admission in that case only probable cause which is much easier to defend in court.
 
Good people dont fall........Dumb or careless people fall. kinda like Darwinism. Sorry about the spelling I missed that class. But if we can help keep some uninformed people from getting in trouble I'm all for it.
 
Excellent thread Frackal. I have never agreed with open source posting if it is secure or not. IMHO nothing is that secure and a fed that posts on a board for 3 weeks and ramps up 200 or so posts will soon be given acess if their IT departments can't gain it anyway!!!
This will not stop as it berings so much traffic to the board who promotes it. The fact is the boards who have this policy are the ones that have attracted most trouble for the sources and its members. Ones that do not are still going with far less trouble (e.g. Elitefitness, Muscletalk etc)

A good source IMO is discrete and works by referal only. He / she only takes on new work after the customer has been checked out as much as possible. This is for his / her own and his customers protection and continued. If i see a source openly advertising his / her illegal traded then their time in business will be short and the customers that use them will be at risk as they will have the attention of the authorities.

Yes it takes time for a source to build up a business without this advertising but they will be in business a lot longer and so will their customers.

This is just my opinion and my view on open source posting which is the same as the original article.

Wrongun!
 
Good thread...

A point that is often lost is that when someone wants to feel like he's "part of something bigger than himself", by revealing sources.... he's fucking with people's lives.

I'm talking about jail time, attorney's fees, trauma and stress to his family.. the stuff on the periphery that you rarely concern yourself with.

PLEASE... use some friggin' discretion, people!

This is no game, bottom line - IT'S SOMEONE'S LIFE!
 
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