A couple of more HIT question

[Blood&Iron]

I think he's just trying to post opinions opposite of Blood&Iron, just for argument's sake.

Could be. Maybe I'll have to start endorsing german volume and see if he comes over to our side.

Here I'll try a test:
rabbit season.

 

[DaCypher]

Could be. Maybe I'll have to start endorsing german volume and see if he comes over to our side.

Here I'll try a test:
rabbit season.

LOL!

Maybe you should claim that HIT is bad and he'll argue our side.

 

[Grizzly]

LOL!

Maybe you should claim that HIT is bad and he'll argue our side.

Don't worry about that one. I will never endorse HIT, as I understand it and as I have read it in the various FAQ's. Granted, I do like to argue with Blood&Iron, but, I think, that's more due to the fact that he seems to be an intelligent fellow who always happens to disagree with me. Don't know why, but he does. Thus, as another intelligent fellow, I feel it necessary to engage in a war of wits, brains and training methodologies. Call me crazy, but I think that what I do works best, just as you people think that what you do works best. Will I agree that people's bodies respond differently to different training stimuli? Sure. But, I do think that mine is the best method. Of course, that's just because I have experienced very good results with it. If'n you want, I can outline my personal workouts/training methods. Just to compare/contrast with what you all do. Aside from the fact that I spend 5-6 days and do more sets per bodypart, I think that our training might be very similar. Oops, here I go again giving the impression that I do a HIT style training routine. Dont' think that, you crazy fools! Back to where I was, don't say that I'm trying to force my views on folks(despite the fact that I'm trying to do that, at least slightly) because you guys do it too. Anyway, DaCypher and Blood&Iron, I do have to say that this has been a very good day for me. I like to converse...uh, argue...with you guys. You're both intelligent and bring up good points and even, much to my chagrin, point out when I have mis-stated or even AHHH! committed a fallacy of logic. Love you dudes! We should do this again.

 

[Grizzly]

Blood&Iron-

By the way, I don't endorse German volume training. Of course, I don't know all too much about it, but(I can't believe I'm going to say this) I do believe that there is such a thing as too much volume. Of course, in contrast to that, I do believe that controlled over-training is very beneficial to overall growth.

More importantly, I don't think that rabbit season starts for another few weeks. Even if it has started already, you don't want to shoot a rabbit(unless you're not going to eat it) until there has been a very solid frost or two because you might catch that terrible liver disease that they get. It would be better for you to eat 5 anadrol a day than to eat diseased rabbit. Just a heads up for you. Of course, you probably already knew that.

Hey, and, by the way, how the hell do I bring up the template of various smileys and whatnot? I'm tired of the traditional smiley face that you can creat by typing ""

 

[DaCypher]

Grizzyly,

Ok, your points are well taken. Just out of curiousity, do you train each body part more than once a week with your 5-6 day/week routine? I also believe in controlled overtraining, although I'm sure I have a different definition of it than you do. For example, I might do some drop sets, negatives sets, or pre-exhaustion sets to furthur stimulate the muscles every once in a while.

To get more smilies just click on the get more link in the smilies box to the left.

 

[Grizzly]

I train my bodyparts once per week. Currently anyway. I think I'm going back to 6 day/week and then I'll be training legs twice.

You're right, we definitley have different ideas about controlled overtraining. I consider negatives and drop sets part of a good workout. To me, controlled overtraining is doing 35 sets of squats or spending all day doing chins until you get 300-500 total reps. Also, sometimes, I like to train the same bodypart everyday of the week. Usually I try that with legs. Of course, I've never been able to make it all 6 days of the week. Usually I can only do it for 4 days. But it's the thought that counts, right?


Hmmmm, I don't have a smileys box. Must be something wrong with my options.

 

[Blood&Iron]

More importantly, I don't think that rabbit season starts for another few weeks. Even if it has started already, you don't want to shoot a rabbit(unless you're not going to eat it) until there has been a very solid frost or two because you might catch that terrible liver disease that they get. It would be better for you to eat 5 anadrol a day than to eat diseased rabbit. Just a heads up for you. Of course, you probably already knew that.

Actually, the response I was looking for was "duck season"--you know, from Bugs and Daffy.

You're right in pointing out that many HIT advocates are dogmatic and argumentative, but so are most other schools of lifting. People get attached to "their system" and decide everything else is shit--as is the case with much in life. I would disagree with your assertion that I push my beliefs on anyone. I will critique peoples workouts if asked, but I don't tend to attack periodization or volume fans just for the hell of it. I could care less what other people do. I just offer my own experiences which people can take or leave. In general, I tend to be fairly open. I've tried Poliquin's one day arm-cure, which consists of doing a 10-minute arm workout every 30 minutes for about 9 hours(Really started sucking at hour 5 or 6.) I plan to give german volume a shot at some point and I'll continue to experiment with other methodologies. HIT, however, remains the core of what I do--though I'm sure plenty of HITters would argue that I'm overtraining. It's all relative.

 

[Grizzly]

though I'm sure plenty of HITters would argue that I'm
overtraining. It's all relative.

That's where my biggest problem comes in with HIT. The constant insistance that it's so easy to overtrain and that your body needs 2 months in between workouts to fully recover. Ok, so that was a slight overexaggeration. The body is incredibly resilient and can take huge amounts of punishment. The only times I ever have trouble with overtraining is when I'm dieting, go figure, and when I start with my serious mass/strength gain program which is when I train 6 days per week and keep the reps 4-6. After about 5-6 weeks I'm just dying because I hit it hard! But, then all I do is take a week off and everything is fixed. Simple. No need to spend months in between workouts. I think the reason that I get overtrained ever is because I hit it at full intensity every time I enter the gym. I will get one more rep or lift a heavier weight everytime. I don't believe in spending a week training at a lesser intesity just to "maintain" or whatever. I'd rather just not lift. The only problem I have with that sometimes is that on occasion my body just doesn't want to listen. There's been many times I've walked into the gym and I couldn't lift the same amount of weight so I get pissed and leave. I guess that's bad, but my body will do what I tell it to goddamnit! Praise the lord for coffee and buttloads of ephedrine!

 

[Grizzly]

Actually, the response I was looking for was "duck season"--you know, from Bugs and Daffy.

Well, it is duck season, but I don't care about those things. Me, I'm a pheasant hunter and tomorrow I'm going to kill me some birds! Woohoo!

 

[Blood&Iron]

Well, it is duck season, but I don't care about those things. Me, I'm a pheasant hunter and tomorrow I'm going to kill me some birds! Woohoo!

Not a fan of hunting--at least in the traditional sense. Go figure. Don't have any desire to argue about it though.

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After about 5-6 weeks I'm just dying because I hit it hard! But, then all I do is take a week off and everything is fixed. Simple. No need to spend months in between workouts. I think the reason that I get overtrained ever is because I hit it at full intensity every time I enter the gym. I will get one more rep or lift a heavier weight everytime. I don't believe in spending a week training at a lesser intesity just to "maintain" or whatever. I'd rather just not lift.

Hate to tell you this, but this is a VERY HIT-like statement. BTW, very few HIT advocates recommend the extremes you say HIT entails. Most HITters do full body workouts 2-3 times a week, an upper-lower split, etc. Mentzer got a little extreme in his anti-volume crusade in later years. I can't say I've tried that low a level of volume so I hesitate to say it doesn't work, only that I couldn't handle it. I like being in the gym.

The only problem I have with that sometimes is that on occasion my body just doesn't want to listen. There's been many times I've walked into the gym and I couldn't lift the same amount of weight so I get pissed and leave.

Sounds like me. But I generally finish up the workout and let the failure fire me up to do better in subsequent sets. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.