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I'm on keto style diet, training 3x per week. My muscles are rock hard, I'm super dry and vascular... Now, I am definitely a little flat... But I'd rather be dry, hard, and lean.
500mg Test, 100mcg T3, 20mcg Clen....
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I'm on keto style diet, training 3x per week. My muscles are rock hard, I'm super dry and vascular... Now, I am definitely a little flat... But I'd rather be dry, hard, and lean.
DJLegacy2k1
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Oh wow, problem number 1 is you arent eating nearly ENOUGH while on the gear. While on cycle your protein intake needs to be MUCH higher and your cals need to be at maintenance or slightly higher but VERY CLEAN. Youre basically wasting 500mg of test each week if you are only eating 160g protein you arent giving your body the cals and protein needed to add muscle and therefore burn fat. With the diet you are on it would have been much better to run something like SARMS to save muscle while cutting, along with LIPOSHRED stack because Clen is not worth the health risks for minimal results but some people just wont let clen go for whatever reason, and T3 well I suppose thats fine. You need to be eating 5-6 small meals every couple of hours with 30gs or so of CLEAN carbs especially around lifting and 40-50g protein each meal if you want to really get anything out of the 500mg of test.
Lots of changes if you want to get anything of significance from that run.
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I know what you mean Legacy, and the first time I did test I ate like a horse but still clean and I got huge. I put on almost 40 lbs from that cycle and it was only 250mg test every 5 days with nothing else.
Even at the calorie amount I'm eating now I'm actually putting on weight, its ridicolous! I wanted to do this cycle just to maintain what I have and burn fat and that was it, size or muscle gain is not what I am looking for. But I literally have gained 2 lbs since I started the cycle and I'm close to 1000 calories per day under what I was eating before I started.
The fat is coming off steadily, don't get me wrong, but I guess I thought it would fly off like some miracle. I'm going to try morning cardio (empty stomach) before work 4x a week for the next two weeks and see how that works out for me. If I'm still not down into single digit bodyfat then I may try a keto for a bit.
Test, Clen, and T3 I'd be eating calorie surplus based on LBM still and let the extra muscle from the test burn more calories. 20mcg's of clen isn't much, I usually start at 50mcg's and work up to 100mcg's split in 2 through the day by the 3rd rotation of 2wks on/off.
The Test requires extra calories, the clen is burning extra calories and the T3 is burning even more. You need more food, more frequently to see the results you want.
Mentally I think you need to approach this with the goal of putting on mass and the changes in body composition alone will yield the results you are looking for with the clen/t3 ontop of test. You are approaching this with the mindset of cutting and calorie restriction and you are hindering your own progress. More food, more frequently and keep it clean. Lift heavy and do cardio and you will morph.
I guess I do have the wrong mindset then. I mean I'm already muscular for my size. 15% bodyfat was too high of an estimate, at 190 lbs my back has almost zero fat and you can see my top two abs as well as leg muscle lines, but I still have the front belly fat and love handles. I was hoping the extreme calorie deficit would finally get rid of that belly fat and my love handles, and the test would help me maintain the muscle I have.
Keep in mind also that I prefer to be more athletic around my natural bodyweights than to be a mass monster above 200lbs. I started my cardio the other day and I actually feel like I'm already noticing a difference.
The same holds true bro in that one cycle, especially with clen and t3, isn't all of a sudden going to make you huge either. Just be consistent, tweak the diet as needed and throw in more cardio.
a would say 2400 is a good start
I agree, you do have the wrong mindset and im not saying this in a bad way. Body Weight is irrelevant unless you compete in something that requires you to be at a particular weight. Looks tells the story a lot better. Reason Im saying this is that I use to think just like you ...cutting meant restricting calories which I think is a big mistake.
When I cut what it means to me is this ...first:
1. add compounds that do not bloat me (primo/tren/prop/masteron..etc)
2. Eat clean calories but not drop below 3000/day in my case with plenty of protein around 250-300g a day, good fats and carbs
AND cut carbs at night for my last meal
3.Add cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach 3-4x a week other than that to me everything else is a regular cycle in the gym. I lift heavy, push hard and even on "cutting " cycles I manage to put on few lbs of muscle but I concentrate on burning as much fat as possible.
If you body wants to grow let it grow man, concentrate on fat loss or if you think you too big then cut the test to 250mg/week
I dont think is a big deal if you gain 5 lbs a muscle and drop 10lbs a fat lets say..itz all good!
needtogetaas
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diets all fucked up and you fell victim to low cals,lots of sets,low cals,and tons of drugs will get you skinny. HA HA HA sorry but it don't work like that.
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Didn't even see you posted in here needto. Always good to see you in one of my threads.
Update for everyone, since I'm sure most like to hear where their advice has gone. I have upped my calories with mostly protein and some fats, I've since started doing something similar to a carb cycle that works for my body, and I'm doing cardio 4 or more days a week now (deadlifts seem to prevent me from doing cardio for at least that day, sometimes two days in a row).
I've tapered my t3 down to 25mcg/day and will be off entirely shortly. I have also begun supplementing with a CLA/guarana/green tea extract concoction, and also taking in an additional 5g of fish derived omega oils.
I noticed significant results in less than a week, only problem is I'm not sure if it's the added supplements, the lowering of the T3 dosage, the additional calories, or the cardio. Either way I am looking better daily, whereas I seemed to be stalling when I started this thread.
