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16 weeks out on Monday and discouraged

FlyBrownChick

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I planned on competing in a July 14-15th figure show. 16 weeks out starts Monday and I am VERY discouraged. I got my bodyfat tested at the gym and it was 25%! The guy did a 5 pt test. I've been training hard and eating clean for quite some time and I just don't see how in the world I'll be able to get down to 11 or 12% in 16 weeks.

Do you ladies think this is even possible or should I put my dream on hold?

Thanks in advance...
 
How long have you been training? What do you consider a "clean" diet?

You CAN lean out in 16 weeks! I went from 23% to 11.5% in 12 weeks.
 
I only eat extra lean ground turkey, egg whites, whole eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoes, fish oils, fish, some fruit, some skim dairy, and lots of fibrous green veggies.

Thanks for that, ScorpioGirl. My trainer flat out told me that I could not be ready. It really, really hurt...because no one tells me that I can't do something. I think you had a journal for your competition, right? I'll check that out.
 
how about posting some pics? BF tests soemtimes are wayyyy off. go by the mirror...do YOU think your 25%?
 
FlyBrownChick said:
I only eat extra lean ground turkey, egg whites, whole eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoes, fish oils, fish, some fruit, some skim dairy, and lots of fibrous green veggies.

Thanks for that, ScorpioGirl. My trainer flat out told me that I could not be ready. It really, really hurt...because no one tells me that I can't do something. I think you had a journal for your competition, right? I'll check that out.
Well, I don't compete - it's just a SERIOUS hobby! lol

Yes, you CAN do it. At what time are you eating during the day? - post your diet and times along with any supps you take. How much water are you drinking? Also, post your training. We'll all help you here!
 
Can you post up your current diet EXACTLY - not just a list of stuff but how much each portion is, when you eat it? E.g.

Meal 1: 6 am
1 whole egg + 4 egg whites
1/2 c oatmeal
coffee

Meal 2: 9 am
4 oz chicken
2 c spinach

etc.

Also your training regimen. You'd be amazed what can happen in 4 months w/ a tight program that is constantly tweaked for optimized progress.
 
This is what I am currently doing

Meal 1: 6:00 AM

.5 cup oats
3 egg whites
.5 cup fat free cottage cheese
.33 cup skim milk powder

Meal 2: 9:00 AM

4 oz extra lean ground turkey
.5 tsp olive oil
green beans
fish oils

Meal 3: 12:00 PM

4 oz extra lean ground turkey
.5 tsp olive oil
broccoli
fish oils

Meal 4: 3:00 PM

Casein powder - 24g protein
.66 cup oats
small banana

Training

Meal 5: 6:00 PM

whey isolate powder - 25g protein
.66 cup oats
.75 cup blueberries

Meal 6: 9:00 PM

.75 cup fat free cottage cheese
.5 oz walnuts

I drink at least a gallon of water a day. No supplements at this time.

I've been doing a heavy pull/light push/light pull/heavy push routine for about 12 weeks now. Focused on deadlifts, squats, bench press with some accessory work as well. Cardio was 2 days of HIIT or fartlek training. I am on active rest doing 3 full body days per week.
 
I can not believe your trainer told you that you couldn't do the show, from what I saw in your pics you have a good base, and I thinks it's possible for you to do the show.

First thing I would do if I were you would be to tell that trainer to kiss your beauitful ass!
 
I agree w/M24K!!!! What a drag to hear your trainer tell you negatives!!!!!

One more question.....are you logging in fitday? www.fitday.com
 
IMHO These ladies know their stuff inside, outside, upside-down, backwards and with their eyes closed. Their threads and pics are proof. When they say "Yes you can...." I fully intend on listening. ;)








...and tell your trainer "Yes I can so hide and watch :finger: "
 
Thanks ladies...I really do appreciate it.

Que, I've been lurking for a long time for good reason...these women know their stuff! :) My ears are wide open.

Scorpio, I log my nutrients on fitday.com. I'm eating at maintanence right now...about 1700 calories.

haha Thanks, Miss24K. I have actually talked to the trainer this AM and seemed to have sorted things out. I'm not one to speak my mind, but I did and it helped.
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Thanks ladies...I really do appreciate it.

Que, I've been lurking for a long time for good reason...these women know their stuff! :) My ears are wide open.

Scorpio, I log my nutrients on fitday.com. I'm eating at maintanence right now...about 1700 calories.

haha Thanks, Miss24K. I have actually talked to the trainer this AM and seemed to have sorted things out. I'm not one to speak my mind, but I did and it helped.
What are your stats....Height & weight?


........and good job on voicing your opinion or concern to your trainer!
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Thanks ladies...I really do appreciate it.

Que, I've been lurking for a long time for good reason...these women know their stuff! :) My ears are wide open.

Scorpio, I log my nutrients on fitday.com. I'm eating at maintanence right now...about 1700 calories.

haha Thanks, Miss24K. I have actually talked to the trainer this AM and seemed to have sorted things out. I'm not one to speak my mind, but I did and it helped.


Hahahaha I lurked a bit on several sites but the ladies on this site amazed me at how they welcomed newbies. Some of the other sites would blast people just for being new. Good luck and I'll be readin' your posts! :heart:
 
FlyBrownChick said:
I planned on competing in a July 14-15th figure show. 16 weeks out starts Monday and I am VERY discouraged. I got my bodyfat tested at the gym and it was 25%! The guy did a 5 pt test. I've been training hard and eating clean for quite some time and I just don't see how in the world I'll be able to get down to 11 or 12% in 16 weeks.

Do you ladies think this is even possible or should I put my dream on hold?

Thanks in advance...
What is he talking about Willis? I'm 26% and doing a figure show July 15th around 10-12% BF ????? Find a new trainer... I'm also 5'7" but you have more muscle then I do so you should burn more calories then me even!!
 
Seems like the ladies got ya covered ...

:rose:

I agree with basically everything stated above :) M24K lol , esp her ... cute
 
You ladies are amazing...and that's an understatement! :heart:

Treilin...I'm definitely going to check out your journal. When do you start?
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Thanks ladies...I really do appreciate it.

Que, I've been lurking for a long time for good reason...these women know their stuff! :) My ears are wide open.

Scorpio, I log my nutrients on fitday.com. I'm eating at maintanence right now...about 1700 calories.

haha Thanks, Miss24K. I have actually talked to the trainer this AM and seemed to have sorted things out. I'm not one to speak my mind, but I did and it helped.

First, glad you found us - HYUGE amounts of info & support here. I'm going to throw in a couple comments. Your diet does look clean & good. If you feel like you are stalled out right now, you may just be going thru a transition from that heavy phase to the cutting phase, but there are crazy numbers of examples of people who have made complete life changes via their bodies in 12 weeks.

The one thing you won't know about competition is how ready you are for a show until about 2 weeks before the show. If you don't try, you won't know.

TALK to your trainer!!! YOU hired HIM! HE works for YOU! Its your time, money, efforts & goals. Don't be afraid of comments he might make - its his job to provide objective critiques and tweaks to your plan. I would just throw in the caveat that I'm assuming this trainer is QUALIFIED to prep you for competition. Has he / she trained others for competition ? What results have they produced in the past? And does he/she talk to you? If you want to know WHY certain training or diet do you get an answer that you can understand or will the person patiently come up w/ a way to convey the idea to you instead of getting short w/ you or acting like "WTF? You don't know??"

You didn't mention how regularly you see your trainer. Once / week? Every day? If this person sees you every day or regularly , you should be able to also talk about changes. Get photos on a regular basis for tracking progress. I also like to get regular bodyfat testing done - not so much for the total bodyfat but rather to track changes in the different caliper skinfold points - this helps to show you how your body tends to lose or hold water or bodyfat. Keep a journal of all this info so you can go back & match your skinfold measurements w/ your mood, the diet & training you followed that day, track if its "that time of the month", etc. This allows you to see how the different combinations of all of that work together. If you are going along great & then it stalls out for a few days -you might notice that you are particularly stressed out from work or maybe not enough cardio, too much cardio, particular diet change isn't working.

I'm not sure if you had just started training - like you mentioned the last 12 weeks of heavy pulling, etc. If this is your history of trainign, then some of yoru challenge is goign to come from limited muscle development. And that will contribute to a higher bodyfat ratio - because it is a ratio of lean muscle mass to bodyfat . Doesn't always mean you 'have fat" but rather "less muscle". The one thing is that it is hard to build muscle if you are now on the last 3-4 months of competition prep as you are now in a cutting phase where your calorie intake isn't designed to support muscle building but rather fat cutting. The trainer will probably have you continue to build as you can, focusing on the bodyfat loss and shaping in general. I'd probably target the muscles that will show in the specific poses you are doing. I.e. you know the poses required, so shape your body to enhance those muscles that show the best in those poses.

My final suggestion is to keep in mind that even tho this is your target show, in the bigger picture, there is always another show. For all the work you are putting into this - its nice to have a back up show or two for a couple of reasons:
- especially when you are doing your first show, you have no real idea how fast your body will respond to the training, so you are trying to move in on your target date, but traditionally people tend to really need a few extra weeks of prep to be at their optimal for a show. I'm not saying you will come in unprepared, I am saying that most people always tend to not come in exactly as they would like to and a few extra weeks of diet would bring them to what would be perfect. So if you hit your first show ok but could use more dieting, you have a second (and even third sometimes) date to prepare a little more for.
- you are spending a crapload of money on the show. One thign you can't prepare is "how to do the show' -i.e. the initial stage fright, being judged for the first time in a real setting. You just can't simulate that until the actual show. So if you set yourself up to only have that one show to do, you will never get a chance to do a show where you've already been on stage once and that isnt' the biggest issue on your mind. You will have gotten some feedback on your stage presence, presentation, posing, smile & just "how to do a show' that you can bring w/ you to all shows AFTER the first, but not TO the first.
- You get to wear the suits again
- you get to see how you do on stage when you arent' so freaked out about all the prep & presentation
- you get a greater sense of confidence now that you know what you are doing.
- if for some reason you can't make the target show (coudl be sick, illness in the family, whatever) or the show itself might get cancelled for some reason. And all your work is kaput. W/ a backup show you have more wiggle room to get your chance on stage instead of all or nothing.
- also takes the pressure off the whole "OMG THIS IS THE SHOW THAT WILL DETERMINE IF I AM WORTHY OF COMPETITION OR I NEED TO JUST CRAWL INTO THE DIRT AND DIE BECAUSE I"M NOT READY FOR THIS ONE SHOW!"

My point is to take some of the pressure & frustratoin that it is so easy to build up around that one show date. If its your first show, you are not only competign w/ yourself to see what you can pull out of your body, your mind & yourself by the show date but also w/ girls who have already done shows and will have that more confident poise & presentation that may just contribute to your further stress.

Hope this helps some. I'm trying to bring down the level of highs & lows - you will encounter all sorts of panic moments & what feels like full-on life-challenging moments where you will doubt yourself & everything about what you are doing. It work much better if you are able to keep things in perspective. Yes, you need to dig deep & work like you've never worked before to stick to the diet, not panic when you feel a sugar fit coming on, drag thru miserable amounts of cardio. But you should also watch the dramatic changes. Become aware of what you are accomplishing. Focus on the things you can watch improvements on like your posing, your poise, ask more questions about how the diet & training are designed to work, etc. and BE VERY PATIENT w/ your progress. Even if you do start to lose bodyfat at a fantastic rate, your body doesn't continue to lose bodyfat in a linear fashion - changes may take place quickly, and then slow down. That's' why it is so important to monitor how you are changing and make tweaks as you go because your body is responding to the changes all the time. It is never static. The changes are more dramatic the closer you get ot show day so don't get pre-frustrated as far out as 16 weeks. The more objective you are able to remain about your progress, the better you are mentally - not to mention that additoinal stress will result in cortisol working against optimizing your metabolism.

And like I said before - if you are frustrated, talk to your trainer. A good trainer will be able to say things like I've said above. They may get frustrated dealign w/ yet anther newbie going thru contest prep, but they should be patient. The thign about competition is that regardess of how much you read here, how much we tell you or share with you or your trainer works w/ you, you still have to go thru it once to really understand what we are talking about. So the sooner you recognize when you do go thru one of the things mentioned, the less stress & doubt you will experience. Like when you realize that peanut butter is a great source of protein & fats, but more than 1 -2 tbsp will blow you up in a heart beat. But there's no other fun food in yoru diet so you can't help yourself, and then you have to literally throw the jar out the back door (ref: me & Bunny...:rolleyes: ). But once you experience such food fits, you'll recognize what they are and deal w/ them better the next time they hit. Its just part of it - doens't mean you are less of a person or maybe should'nt be doign a show or you aren't cut out for it. Its just a further test of your ability to keep an even keel. Its the biggest learning process you will go thru in your life. But you will achieve it and be a better person for it.

And then you'll also have all these crazy stories to tell people when its all over!

You'll do fine & we're here w/ you and for you! Many of us have gone thru exactly what you are and survived! In many ways, it is much more of a journey than a destination.
 
FlyBrownChick said:
You ladies are amazing...and that's an understatement! :heart:

Treilin...I'm definitely going to check out your journal. When do you start?
I start cutting in about 17 days... I need to get the exact date again from my trainer. You can do it, you just have to have someone willing to back you. If your trainer is already talking like you can't do it.. then I would find a different trainer. At your stats I don't see why it is unobtainable? Unless there is a medical condition I don't know about... Or if you haven't figured out how your body gains and loses fat.... I mean you have to just try it out and go from there. I mean This is my first show I'm going to be on stage even if I'm on crutches (I hope I didn't just jinx myself), But if you are going to do this you need to get those suits ordered pronto!!!!
 
Wanted to say - you should actually be able to cut nicely - you have a nice set of quads going and very nice lines already. And I agree - if you aren't getting what you need from your trainer, find another one. Personal training & contest prep is a very one-on-one position - if the person doesn't meet the needs, find another one. Otherwise just keep those lines of communication wide open and make sure you are learning & not just blindly following what this person tells you. There's' a reason behind the basic ideas of nutrition & training, and then you need to go a level deeper to find how your body responds to those basic approaches. Its always a big personal experiement and each thing you try is something you can add to your arsenal of tools for fitness or remove so you don't have to mess w/ it again.
 
Thank you, Sassy!

After talking with my trainer, she told me a lot of what you told me. She's actually a competitor and has competed for many years, so I trust her. She's said that I am top priority because she knows that I work hard and I don't give up or give in.

I recall you and Bunny's backdoor PB chucking. :goof:

I have ~120 lbs of lean mass. Of course, that all depends on whether or not the caliper reading is correct. I've been training on and off for many years, but training hard and eating clean for about 2 years.

After reading that, I have a bit more realistic view of what is expected of me and of this experience. I might as well work hard and enjoy it!

Treilin, I am planning on jeweling my own suits. I figure I will need something to do on the weekend. :) I need to order plain suits and get to work ASAP. Have you ordered yours? Have you decided if you are going to start a new journal or just going to keep the one that you have now? I did read that you are a bit attached to your current one. hehe

Maybe I'll start a journal as well...
 
i think you are certainly able to get in contest shape....we are our worst critics..but you have a great base..and theres a lot of good info here....you can do it!!!
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Thank you, Sassy!

After talking with my trainer, she told me a lot of what you told me. She's actually a competitor and has competed for many years, so I trust her. She's said that I am top priority because she knows that I work hard and I don't give up or give in.

I recall you and Bunny's backdoor PB chucking. :goof:

I have ~120 lbs of lean mass. Of course, that all depends on whether or not the caliper reading is correct. I've been training on and off for many years, but training hard and eating clean for about 2 years.

After reading that, I have a bit more realistic view of what is expected of me and of this experience. I might as well work hard and enjoy it!

Treilin, I am planning on jeweling my own suits. I figure I will need something to do on the weekend. :) I need to order plain suits and get to work ASAP. Have you ordered yours? Have you decided if you are going to start a new journal or just going to keep the one that you have now? I did read that you are a bit attached to your current one. hehe

Maybe I'll start a journal as well...

Sounds like you have the right instruction to guide you through! Great! (That saves SOOO much frustration.) Like I said before - competition is just another fork in the road to whatever is the end. Esp your first competition is just really the first revealing of what you brought to the table. I know people who go thru several years of competition working their way up the ranks and also learning from each competition, but also going thru several cycles of competition prep to train their bodies to make the required changes that they weren't born with or are easily produced. If it helps at all, one of my old trainers told me a story about this lady he knows who is a pro wheelchair competitor. She was parallyzed from the waist down in a car accident in her late teens. After several years of training, competition & even a pro card. she was able to come to his gym and get up out of her chair and walk a few steps assisted as a result of all her strength, determination & general passion for fitness. Pretty mind blowing when you think about what you can accomplish. So make sure you dont' limit the scope of your goals to just this one show. Even shows are just another step in the journey towards whatever it is you are looking to achieve :)
 
*Bunny* said:
:verygood: I don't know WHAT you're talking about ... :chomp:

LOL!


I was just thinking about that as I chucked a couple of burnt chicken breasts out the same back door into the wash behind my house....


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Treilin, I am planning on jeweling my own suits. I figure I will need something to do on the weekend. :) I need to order plain suits and get to work ASAP. Have you ordered yours? Have you decided if you are going to start a new journal or just going to keep the one that you have now? I did read that you are a bit attached to your current one. hehe

Maybe I'll start a journal as well...
I think I'm going to have mine renamed.... Yes I ordered my suits last week. Purple and green, Start a journal!!!!
 
*Bunny* said:
:verygood: I don't know WHAT you're talking about ... :chomp:
Classic case of denial...it's okay, Bunny. You're still cool in my book. ;)

Sassy...burned chicken breast? YUCK! :worried: That doesn't sound good at all!

Treilin...okay, I'll start a journal. Where did you buy your suits? I am thinking black and blue...like a light blue. The girls at the Arnold inspired me. :)
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Classic case of denial...it's okay, Bunny. You're still cool in my book. ;)

Sassy...burned chicken breast? YUCK! :worried: That doesn't sound good at all!

Treilin...okay, I'll start a journal. Where did you buy your suits? I am thinking black and blue...like a light blue. The girls at the Arnold inspired me. :)
I went to the Arnold also!
I bought them through this lady that is based in Florida she makes a lot of the pro's suits, and my trainer has used her on every other girl that he has trained for competitions. $750 for two suits and that was with the discount....
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Maybe I'll start a journal as well...

You have a great base and 16 weeks. You also have the awesome girls on EF to help you - I don't compete but they have helped me in more ways I can say....

You can do it.

Good luck - I look forward to reading your journal :)
 
FlyBrownChick said:
This is what I am currently doing

Meal 1: 6:00 AM

.5 cup oats
3 egg whites
.5 cup fat free cottage cheese
.33 cup skim milk powder

Meal 2: 9:00 AM

4 oz extra lean ground turkey
.5 tsp olive oil
green beans
fish oils

Meal 3: 12:00 PM

4 oz extra lean ground turkey
.5 tsp olive oil
broccoli
fish oils

Meal 4: 3:00 PM

Casein powder - 24g protein
.66 cup oats
small banana

Training

Meal 5: 6:00 PM

whey isolate powder - 25g protein
.66 cup oats
.75 cup blueberries

Meal 6: 9:00 PM

.75 cup fat free cottage cheese
.5 oz walnuts

I drink at least a gallon of water a day. No supplements at this time.

I've been doing a heavy pull/light push/light pull/heavy push routine for about 12 weeks now. Focused on deadlifts, squats, bench press with some accessory work as well. Cardio was 2 days of HIIT or fartlek training. I am on active rest doing 3 full body days per week.

Hmm

How long have you been following that diet? How do you feel? What changes have you noticed - good or bad?

Also, what sort of gains have you made in 12 weeks? Have you been doing the same thing for 12 weeks? What is the cardio now?
 
OK, it's bugging me.

I think your dairy is too high, greens too low and oats too high.
By dairy I mean the cottage cheese and casein.

Any reason she's got you drinking casein in addition to all that cottage cheese? Other than pre w/o, aminos, slow digesting?

I'd lose the banana too replace it with berries.

How mush fish oil are you consuming per day?

I'd edit Meal 1, 4 and 6.


ps. Whenever you feel discouraged do what you did - get talking, express what you're feeling thinking and listen to your body it knows better than anyone else.
 
Hey Velvet!

Actually, that's not the diet that she created. I used that to put on some muscle while trying not to gain much fat. I tend to put on muscle under the worst circumstances. I should be getting that diet from her today. I'll post it once I get it.

Greens too low? I eat about a pound at a time...is that still too low? I'm having 10g of fish oil per day. I've been eating like that for the last 12 weeks or so.

Cardio now is 2 days of alpha cardio. I haven't gotten the training from her yet because I was honestly thinking about dropping her. That should come today as well.

Thanks for your help! :)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Mermaid. :)

$750 for two suits, Trei? :worried: Yea...I think I'll stick to jeweling my own. haha
 
FlyBrownChick said:
Hey Velvet!

Actually, that's not the diet that she created. I used that to put on some muscle while trying not to gain much fat. I tend to put on muscle under the worst circumstances. I should be getting that diet from her today. I'll post it once I get it.

Greens too low? I eat about a pound at a time...is that still too low? I'm having 10g of fish oil per day. I've been eating like that for the last 12 weeks or so.

GOT IT! So that's not your cutting diet.

Nope - a pound of broccoli reminds me of Ceebs (old member).

I'm sorry if I sounded rude - it just struck me odd yesterday and on occassion I have a big mouth.:rose: apologies.

Good Luck
 
You did not sound rude at all. :) I know that you only meant the best. No need to apologize, miss. :heart:

Yes...I'm a veg head. I can eat a whole heart of celery in a day...in one sitting... :chomp: Today's veggie of choice is a pound of asparagus...

No wonder I am stil single. I probably reek of vegetables!

On another note...I think that I might start my journal today. I am unofficially starting to do some work cutting for the show. I took pics this morning too...
 
velvett said:
oats too high.

I'm just curious how much oats becomes too much? It has become one of my preferred choices of complex carbs and I eat anywhere from 1/2 cup to 1.5 cups, although most days I stay within 1 cup or under.
 
FlyBrownChick said:
$750 for two suits, Trei? :worried: Yea...I think I'll stick to jeweling my own. haha
If I could I would do it... but heck I have to much on my plate to be taking up jewel classes. Then I could just see I would have them popping off on stage or I would look ghetto fab.
 
treilin said:
Then I could just see I would have them popping off on stage or I would look ghetto fab.
THAT would not be good!

I am not going to glue mine on...I'll be using the little clip ones. And I am not going to classes either...no time for that. I am just going to get the ones with the prongs and use a jeweling book for design ideas. I've also been looking at suits online for ideas.

Hmmmm...maybe I will be looking ghettto fab!
 
Roonytunes said:
I'm just curious how much oats becomes too much? It has become one of my preferred choices of complex carbs and I eat anywhere from 1/2 cup to 1.5 cups, although most days I stay within 1 cup or under.


Well, at just shy 2 cups (1.82 cups) of oats, plus the cottage cheese, plus the milk powder and the casein it is in my personal opinion to be too much gluten and too much dairy to successfully drop to a low body fat.

Oats are a fantastic food, great fiber, they keep your blood sugar level, it's a complex carb as you know - both carb and protein and it's a good source of manganese and selenium but it's still a part of the gluten grain family which is like wheat - (ie. bloat) which is not great when you have to get your body fat to such a low level.

I would use a sweet potato as a replacement the carb is slightly higher, protein slightly lower but the fat is also lower than oats - if I recall sweet potato may have high sodium but the bloat factor for many people is lower.

But like everything what works for some doesn't always work for others.

My response was based on thinking that the diet posted was the cutting diet and possibly where the discouragement came from which is why I asked what I did.
 
FlyBrownChick said:
THAT would not be good!

I am not going to glue mine on...I'll be using the little clip ones. And I am not going to classes either...no time for that. I am just going to get the ones with the prongs and use a jeweling book for design ideas. I've also been looking at suits online for ideas.

Hmmmm...maybe I will be looking ghettto fab!
Well it's just not something I am familiar with, and if I'm putting all this money into a comp then I would rather go to someone who knows what they are doing. I would hate to throw all my hard work and money away for a trainer, food, supplements, posing, tanning, hair, make-up, shoes, etc.. because I sucked at making my suit look good.
I'm sure if you have that nitch in your pocket your's will come out looking fine!
 
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