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solidj55
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ZZuluZ-you said low weights are better for CNS stimulation??? Do you mean low reps with heavy weights or actually "low"/light weights with low reps or high reps or what?
Which do you believe is resposible for more strength gains, CNS stimulation or Muscle
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solidj55
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See I had an idea yesterday about a possible way of training that may help me get my CNS to stimulate my muscles to fire more effeciently while I am dieting and doing cardio for a physical fitness test I have to take. I was going to combine the ideas of some Olympic Type Periodization like I explained earlier in this thread with several other priniciples like you mentioned with the submaximal weights on other exercises that mimic the bench like westside does. It would be similar to what me and powerlifterjay do now except for the bench day. You would never go over five reps and never under three. Periodization would be used and all but it would be a little different then usual.
THese numbers arent correct or anything but its just an example off the top of my head.
Monday would be bench day and this is how it would look over an 8 week span Lets say for example this bencher could bench about 340-350 raw in the begining of the program. This is similar to what I was talking about with Olympic lifting routines I have seen. In the begining they work mostly on speed and each week they go progressively heavier. The last few weeks will be around 90% of what your max WAS according to what I read but the number of sets will be more and you never really go to failure on the reps either.
Week Monday(Flat Bench weights)
1 5x5x185
2 5x5x215
3 5x5x240
4 5x5x260
5 5x3x275
6 5x3x290
7 5x3x300
8 5x3x315
Then on Thursday you would have a maximum effort type day useing boards etc. This was just a rough idea I thought about and I may tweak it a little and in a few things here and there who knows.
THese numbers arent correct or anything but its just an example off the top of my head.
Monday would be bench day and this is how it would look over an 8 week span Lets say for example this bencher could bench about 340-350 raw in the begining of the program. This is similar to what I was talking about with Olympic lifting routines I have seen. In the begining they work mostly on speed and each week they go progressively heavier. The last few weeks will be around 90% of what your max WAS according to what I read but the number of sets will be more and you never really go to failure on the reps either.
Week Monday(Flat Bench weights)
1 5x5x185
2 5x5x215
3 5x5x240
4 5x5x260
5 5x3x275
6 5x3x290
7 5x3x300
8 5x3x315
Then on Thursday you would have a maximum effort type day useing boards etc. This was just a rough idea I thought about and I may tweak it a little and in a few things here and there who knows.
powerlifterjay
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First off i am gonan give you the low down on conetst prep and let you know its nOT your CNS.
Lifter X lifts More at a lower bodyweight. How? Easy. You start your new training cycle. Your on some Test 1500mg a week along with deca 400 mg week, and fina 100 mg EOD. !10 weeks later you are now stronger then you were 5 months ago. So lets say you weigh 245 lbs. Screw the 242'2 lifter X is going to the 220's. So you get a drug called lasix. You lose aboiut 5 to 10 on your own if yoru smart, then lasix the rest off. Then you get down to 220lbs. Well the WPO has a 48 hour weigh in , so what you do then is hook your self up to an IV maybe 2 along with the pedialite and food 48hrs later you will weigh 240plus again. SO how does lifter X lift more at 220 then he did at 250lbs? He is really 240 when he lifts. You can lose do a cycle and gain weight and go back down to where you were and keep 80% if you knwo what your doing. You think if i lifted at a no water loss 220lbs i wouldnt lift more then i did when i did weight that much? Of course i wouold lift more. I am stronger , my muscles are stronger. I can be half a sleep and hve a totally fucked up CNS and bench 500lbs. But i have meets on tape that 490 would not lockout. And i was healthy.
Your CNS is anables you to make gains. But genetics play a big part and some people posess fibers that allow then to lift more. Some can run faster. ETC.
And for the record George Halbert didnt weigh 215lbs when he did 733. He was bigger then me and i weighed in at 220 and lifted 240 myself. And he was bigger. I am sure he weighed in at that but he did not lift at that. That was proper prep for the contest not CNS. Yes his CNS had to be 100% but ...maybe its Proper trainng and listining to his CNS and not over training and keep makin gains.
Proper CNS or not your genetic may not allow you to ever bench 500lbs. Adrenaline or not. If a lifter lifts more at 165 lb then a lifter at 220lbs it doesnt mean his CNS is in better condition. It means his muscles are trained and stronger. There faster. Both lifters CNS"s could be in equal running order. Oh well i am spinnign my wheels here! The are a team and one with out the other cannot perform properly. But besides not over trainnig and taxing your CNS you cannot strengthen it. You can channel it better but not make it your ace up your sleeve in a meet! Right?
I dont get your point 100% Zzuluz. Explain the roles of both. Cause maybe i dont understand it. Just quickly , not too long muscle does X and CNS does Z! Just need some clarification. I am taking a Psyche class in college right now and looked up the CNS in my book and i can see where it partners your muscle but in no way see where it is relied on to lift the weight. A little lifter who lifts X is stronger then a bigger lifter who lifts less. You can gain strength wihtout maxing out. Bodybuilders have healthy CNS's but they dont lift more then us. They dont train too. Oh well i will shut up! LOL
Lifter X lifts More at a lower bodyweight. How? Easy. You start your new training cycle. Your on some Test 1500mg a week along with deca 400 mg week, and fina 100 mg EOD. !10 weeks later you are now stronger then you were 5 months ago. So lets say you weigh 245 lbs. Screw the 242'2 lifter X is going to the 220's. So you get a drug called lasix. You lose aboiut 5 to 10 on your own if yoru smart, then lasix the rest off. Then you get down to 220lbs. Well the WPO has a 48 hour weigh in , so what you do then is hook your self up to an IV maybe 2 along with the pedialite and food 48hrs later you will weigh 240plus again. SO how does lifter X lift more at 220 then he did at 250lbs? He is really 240 when he lifts. You can lose do a cycle and gain weight and go back down to where you were and keep 80% if you knwo what your doing. You think if i lifted at a no water loss 220lbs i wouldnt lift more then i did when i did weight that much? Of course i wouold lift more. I am stronger , my muscles are stronger. I can be half a sleep and hve a totally fucked up CNS and bench 500lbs. But i have meets on tape that 490 would not lockout. And i was healthy.
Your CNS is anables you to make gains. But genetics play a big part and some people posess fibers that allow then to lift more. Some can run faster. ETC.
And for the record George Halbert didnt weigh 215lbs when he did 733. He was bigger then me and i weighed in at 220 and lifted 240 myself. And he was bigger. I am sure he weighed in at that but he did not lift at that. That was proper prep for the contest not CNS. Yes his CNS had to be 100% but ...maybe its Proper trainng and listining to his CNS and not over training and keep makin gains.
Proper CNS or not your genetic may not allow you to ever bench 500lbs. Adrenaline or not. If a lifter lifts more at 165 lb then a lifter at 220lbs it doesnt mean his CNS is in better condition. It means his muscles are trained and stronger. There faster. Both lifters CNS"s could be in equal running order. Oh well i am spinnign my wheels here! The are a team and one with out the other cannot perform properly. But besides not over trainnig and taxing your CNS you cannot strengthen it. You can channel it better but not make it your ace up your sleeve in a meet! Right?
I dont get your point 100% Zzuluz. Explain the roles of both. Cause maybe i dont understand it. Just quickly , not too long muscle does X and CNS does Z! Just need some clarification. I am taking a Psyche class in college right now and looked up the CNS in my book and i can see where it partners your muscle but in no way see where it is relied on to lift the weight. A little lifter who lifts X is stronger then a bigger lifter who lifts less. You can gain strength wihtout maxing out. Bodybuilders have healthy CNS's but they dont lift more then us. They dont train too. Oh well i will shut up! LOL
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solidj55
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LOL, powerlifterjay-you actually summed it up in your last post.
One can not function without the other and you can not train your CNS to be stronger you can only learn to channel it better.
I guess thats how I should have worded it when I wrote the post, How can you better channel your CNS in order to improve your strength. Sorry for the fucked up question that has caused some disagreements.
One can not function without the other and you can not train your CNS to be stronger you can only learn to channel it better.
I guess thats how I should have worded it when I wrote the post, How can you better channel your CNS in order to improve your strength. Sorry for the fucked up question that has caused some disagreements.
"f a lifter lifts more at 165 lb then a lifter at 220lbs it doesnt mean his CNS is in better condition. It means his muscles are trained and stronger."
If a small muscle outperforms a bigger muscle the DIFFERENCE ~IS~ the CNS.... that is what I have been saying.
'Bodybuilders have healthy CNS's but they dont lift more then us. "
It's not about having a 'healthy CNS' it's about intrasmucular and intermuscular coordination for a specific lift.
-Zulu
If a small muscle outperforms a bigger muscle the DIFFERENCE ~IS~ the CNS.... that is what I have been saying.
'Bodybuilders have healthy CNS's but they dont lift more then us. "
It's not about having a 'healthy CNS' it's about intrasmucular and intermuscular coordination for a specific lift.
-Zulu
PLJay, I think what they are referring to when they say CNS is that your brain fires signals through your nervous system causing a muscle fiber to twitch. Your CNS is what causes any work to be done, at all. A powerful CNS would be a nervous sytem capable of causing a great percentage of the muscle fibers to strongly contract.
In effect, no fiber does any work at all until prompted to by the CNS.
Kind of like.. what makes a good heater.. a bigger element or more current..
In effect, no fiber does any work at all until prompted to by the CNS.
Kind of like.. what makes a good heater.. a bigger element or more current..
CNS is it. Louie Simmon himself didn't believe it until he travelled to Russia and Eastern Europe. Look at ANY Eastern European, Asian, or Russian Olympic Weightlifter and you will see very little muscle with respect to HUGE amounts of weight those guys move. It mainly in the highly trained, advanced CNS's (good acronym, right? lol). They have the quickest reflexes of ANY Olympic athlete. They have been tested and have faster/quicker reflexes than Olympic Sprinters. This is all due to having incredibly well condintioned CNS's. Hell, look at Nikolai Pesholov formerly of Bulgaria. He is about 145 lbs. and 5'5". His legs are like sticks! No BS! His legs are like 19" or 20". The guy can squat over 500 lbs. though! He looks however like a Ping Pong player though! Don't tell me it is his muscle that is mainly responsible for moving the weight. It is his CNS! The Weighlifters of Eurasia figured it out 30 years ago that the CNS is the bigger key to moving weight than the size of the muscle. Why do you think Loiue has a 'speed' day for his lifters? it is to potentiate the CNS. Look at many Olympic lifters. They have legs 1/2 to 2/3 the size of Jean-Pierre Fuz and they squat just as much as he does and their legs don't fold up like a broken lawn chair! They do it because of their highly advanced CNS's.
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