When will people finally learn how to train??

[newpump]

so let me get this straight - you are basically suggesting to do 2 sets per body part, with several body parts per day instead of the "more traditional" 4~5 sets per body part/1 body part per day? Sounds interesting. I have been doing 4~5 sets per BP (for a total of arounr 16~20 reps total) per day. Maybe I should switch to 2 sets (total of 8 reps) per body part and do a few at a time, multiple times per week? This is an interesting thread !! BUMP!

 

[Debaser]

You're getting closer

I would definately look into both DC and HST, and see which is more suited towards you. There's so much information out there that there need not be guesswork on your part.

 

[Mavy]

Great post debaser. I like reading the training board, although it is pretty rare that I do these days. I think that the training board is a great place to start, especially for newbies. You just have to remember that because someone is new the boards does not mean that they are newbies to the sport. I think that its good that you bring up this point for the people that come to this board saying "how can I get ripped". Usually this is kids who dont have their training down packed. When someone says I have been training for 1 year now ... that says to me that they dont know how to train. It takes years to develop form, understand all the bodybuilding pricipals and learn good form for all lifts. Lots of people on this board are very knowledgeable about training and are here for anabolic info.

You do have me interested in this HST program. By the way I have done the DC training style many times before. Years before seeing it here on elite. Its not like it is some breakthrough discovery. Also I dont think that doing any program for 2 years, be it DC or HST is a good idea. You should always be changing your routine around, no matter how great it is. I am going to look into the HST training tonight.

Cheers,
mavy

 

[casualbb]

I amazed how open-minded people are on this board. Good for you guys for looking into new routines.

-casualbb

 

[Zoomster]

I amazed how open-minded people are on this board. Good for you guys for looking into new routines.

-casualbb

These principle's have been around for twenty years, there is nothing new here.

I understand the mechanics of muscle growth, training, diet and rest recovery. Having been involved in this sport for 20 plus years.

Too make a bold statement that people are not different is crazy.
In addition to competing, I was a personal trainer for many years.

Simple fact, different people respond differently to different training regimes.

There are people on this board that will swear to training a bodypart once a week, some say twice, some say three. Arnold believed in training your bodyparts three times per week.

There are physiological differences in people that determine where training and optimum growth occur. You also must consider
body type, Endo, Ecto or Mesomorph.

There are also some psycological factors.

I am clearly speaking of the natural athlete, as I trained that way
for twenty years. Peolple wanted me to train them because they liked my look.

I do encourage all to experiment with different routines, but if it doesn't work for you don't think there is something wrong with you. It is simply not the right routine for you.

In that respect every single one of us is different. Just how an individual processes their diet is a huge factor.

Personally I think diet is 75% of the game.

peace

 

[Tony104104]

Personally I think diet is 75% of the game.

I'd say so....Since i started getting my diet in check, my physique has change dramatically....

 

[Jordaz]

I put on 5lbs natty in 8 weeks with DC's training! Going to start HST soon

 

[CLOBRO]

Sure training is overlooked but I think diet is even more overlooked then training.
I track my calories with www.fitday.com and it has made a big difference in my results. I was not eating nearly enough....

 

[psychedout]

I am quoting Shawn Ray on saying this "There is no such thing as overtraining! Simple under-recuperating." I think that more people should hold a view like this IMO. But I still would say diet is more important.

And the reason I don't talk much about my diet or training is because it works very good, and I don't anticipate any change anytime son. (Ironic I say that, even though change is in every workout).

 

[casualbb]

Too make a bold statement that people are not different is crazy.
In addition to competing, I was a personal trainer for many years.

Simple fact, different people respond differently to different training regimes.

We're not talking about apples and oranges. If you cut muscle tissue out of a 260 lb. monster and a 110 pound woman and peek at them under a microscope, they'll be indistinguishable. Debaser's statement really isn't that bold, in the sense that he's stating the truth. Each person is not a completely new system to consider, with a grab-bag of training methods to be tried. Science has revealed a good deal about the way muscles grow in the 20+ years you've been training. DC and HST are the result of that, and I really think that one can experience breakthrough growth using either program.

-casual