Whats the hurry?

[RADAR]

I have noticed that alot of posters starting a First cycle or Advicing for their 2nd are mainly in their 20's by the swampload,this is concerning to me,Where are the 30-40yr olds,sure one pops up here and there ,but the mass majority leans toward the youngsters,alot say they have reached their physical peak,Have they really? Doubt it!and i seriously from the pictures i view none really have a foundation to justify running acycle, so what's the hurry? Anyone wish to add to my comments?

 

[WoodyO]

Kids don't know the meaning of hard work these days. Their just looking for the quickest way to get big.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Radar, I have to say I wish I would have known all I do now when I was in my twenties. I NEVER would have touched AAS until I had eaten, trained, and basically done everything possible for my physique prior. This all being hindsight 20/20. Now at 39yrs old I can see the real need for it as natty test levels start to drop. I can definitely see why Nelson waited until his 40's to start cycling. We live in a society that I like to call drive thru service. Everyone wants what they want when they want it and want it right now. Long gone are the days where hardwork and determination where paramount. I am being hypicritcal as I started too early in my late twenties, but these guys starting at 21, 22 are ridiculouos and are wasting their natural ability and it is sad really. Just my .02

 

[KratosGOW]

Kids don't know the meaning of hard work these days. Their just looking for the quickest way to get big.

So everybody on this forum that is less than 25 are just kiddies
that don't know shit about working hard and trying to fight for
what they wish for.
Smart guy Woody (not)

@RADAR i think time has changed
maybe once you had to do this,you had to reach the "top"
of your natural stats.Once existed fear,once there were not forums
like this that even if you are "young" can give you the guide through this world.
It's true that is full of freaks around here but,times change.I think the ones
that today are 40 and used to reach first top natural form was because steroids were not so
easy to reach and everybody was scared that they could "die".
Today,u can google a steroid and try to study it,know it,feel it...try to have a prevention
on possible sides...not everybody is hurrying because of the reason mentioned by the guy above,but maybe there are other reasons beyond.
At least..in my case,that's my opinion.

 

[Ranger11B]

Its the way of the world we want the best of everything with the least amount of work and as fast as possible. Its hard for those who arent ready to see the logic in waiting and that roids arent magic. I probly post on 3 posts a week with someone who is 21 possibly younger (lying about age) and they are wanting to cycle. out of the 3 maybe one listens to the logic i bombared them with among others. I also think people come ef thinking since we discuss roids here we will just be like hell ya bro do this cycle welcome to the club, and thats not it and one of the main reasons i spend soo much time here. Will it change doubt it unless laws change and we can get roids with docs permission as cosmetic enhancement and the underground shuts down.

 

[WoodyO]

So everybody on this forum that is less than 25 are just kiddies
that don't know shit about working hard and trying to fight for
what they wish for.
Smart guy Woody (not)

@RADAR i think time has changed
maybe once you had to do this,you had to reach the "top"
of your natural stats.Once existed fear,once there were not forums
like this that even if you are "young" can give you the guide through this world.
It's true that is full of freaks around here but,times change.I think the ones
that today are 40 and used to reach first top natural form was because steroids were not so
easy to reach and everybody was scared that they could "die".
Today,u can google a steroid and try to study it,know it,feel it...try to have a prevention
on possible sides...not everybody is hurrying because of the reason mentioned by the guy above,but maybe there are other reasons beyond.
At least..in my case,that's my opinion.

Sorry bro, wasn't referring to anybody specific, or trying to generalize anybody on the forum. In fact, I wasn't referring just to AAS use. You can see it everywhere in the world. Everyone's looking for the quickest way or the easiest way, not the right way.

 

[Arabian]

Good post Radar, I personally did not start until my mid 30's and Im glad I waited, because I retain most of my gains even off cycle , due to having a solid foundation! What young people do not realize is that steroids will make them big however they will NOT keep the gains because the majority of them have not learned proper nutrition or training technique!

 

[phenom16]

Wow. Radar I was seriously considering posting a thread exactly like this. It seems the last few weeks even the 21 and 22 yr. olds are coming out in droves and asking about their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cycles. I know it's hard to be patient when you are young guys. But what you guys don't understand is you aren't just risking screwing up your natty levels for life. You are wasting huge opportunities to pack on huge muscle naturally at your age. And other than food and a gym membership and maybe some vitamins, it's FREE! You don't realize that your test levels are as high naturally at your age as some of us who are older on juice. Listen to the guys who came before you and made the mistakes you are making and wish they could go back and do things differently. Great post radar.

 

[ProjectDerty]

you guys have no idea im only 24 and just started using i got to a good base before hand and i live in huntington beach and ill go to the beach and hear little 17 18 19 year olds talking about there test dbol deca cycle. and in the gym there setting up stings cause at one 24 its become a huge problem. its gettting out of control

 

[stevesmi]

I think 25/26 is the age before anyone should even consider juicing.

also hearing stories of people who put on 20 or 30 pounds or who added 50 pounds to their bench on a first cycle tells me they were woefully below their genetic potential.. i dont care how old you are.

there are guys at the gym in their 40's and 100% natural who are benching in the 400's... no idea why young guys think they have to rush. you do not peak bodybuilding wise until your mid 30's and strength wise even into your 40's.. one of my neighbors who goes with me to the gym is built like a freight train and looks like he is 25 but is really 48. no reason to rush at all. the sooner you start, the sooner you will have to go on TRT for life. remember that.

 

[KratosGOW]

Sorry bro, wasn't referring to anybody specific, or trying to generalize anybody on the forum. In fact, I wasn't referring just to AAS use. You can see it everywhere in the world. Everyone's looking for the quickest way or the easiest way, not the right way.

No problem man.
Everybody has his opinion anyway we're all humans.

 

[novicefit]

IMO it’s the internet, not all because of the internet but a lot. Think about how we used to order stuff back in the day. You would fill out a form in a catalog, send a check and wait like 2 months for your little orphan annie decoder pin lol…..Now if we can’t find something that we want we simple google it and BAM ordered, paid with CC, delivered, all in a matter of days.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's time to admit that bodybuilding has been broken up into 2 camps. One is the guy who wants to challenge himself to get bigger, stronger and more confident. Learn discipline and will power. Learn how his body reacts and see the progress, enjoy the process and hold onto it for life so he can look and feel better while others get weaker and older.

The other camp...

is the the kid who watched Jersey Shore and sees that you can get a little more buffed quickly if you take steroids, do the minimal amount of work and fuck it if he loses it because next year is a million years away. They also don't care if they hurt themselves because they're immortal. Getting sick is something that happens to old people.

And that's just the way it is. You can't convince someone from the second camp to join the first. But maybe they'll get bitten by the bug and learn to love it. But still, it's much harder to start at square one once you've cheated out of the gate -- psychologically...and physically.

 

[-SD-]

Ok screw it Im 36 and tired of looking at the Beast and vials of Cyp in my closet for the last 18 months, gonna hit a cycle with them just for you Radar

 

[KratosGOW]

I totally agree your view NM but only if you believe "life is good"---
Damn,seems like we live forever right?
From what some guys are saying i should think for sure that NOT using steroids
you can have a great life healty life etc...and hope to reach your goals anyway.
As an example i had a friend who was my brother's best friend,he had bone cancre at age 19(died at 21)
he never smoked,never seen him drunk,never had a health problem and this poor boy,a wonderful soul just died in PAIN.
I mean be more realistic you guys ...it can happen to all of us we are NOTHING.
I could respect the rules and be hitten by a f.ing drunk idiot with his car and BOOM adios.
Sacrifice is the key to be happy,u can't just say "ok i will do this" and not sacrifice a shit.
It's the sad truth and i could lie myself that following the rules i will be fine...but sadly it's never like this.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

It's ironic this thread has come out...I've been considering running my first cycle for some time now. I'm 23, 6ft1 and around 87kg. I've been lifting solid for around 16months, and I need some inspiration and motivation. Now I'm happy to train hard and hit up the diet, but my feelings are why wait 4-8 years to get the body I want now. I'm not saying I'm gonna start pinning myself, I would actually run an oral cycle to see how I go...but I see kids down my gym 2-3 years younger than me on stuff like no ones business...so what do I do?

I wanna compete aswell next year, and am very aware others will have been doing something, probably alot more than I will have done.

So what's the right thing to do?!

 

[Arabian]

It's time to admit that bodybuilding has been broken up into 2 camps. One is the guy who wants to challenge himself to get bigger, stronger and more confident. Learn discipline and will power. Learn how his body reacts and see the progress, enjoy the process and hold onto it for life so he can look and feel better while others get weaker and older.

The other camp...

is the the kid who watched Jersey Shore and sees that you can get a little more buffed quickly if you take steroids, do the minimal amount of work and fuck it if he loses it because next year is a million years away. They also don't care if they hurt themselves because they're immortal. Getting sick is something that happens to old people.

And that's just the way it is. You can't convince someone from the second camp to join the first. But maybe they'll get bitten by the bug and learn to love it. But still, it's much harder to start at square one once you've cheated out of the gate -- psychologically...and physically.

Exactly, well put Nelson!!!!

 

[stevesmi]

...I've been considering running my first cycle for some time now. I'm 23, 6ft1 and around 87kg. I've been lifting solid for around 16months, and I need some inspiration and motivation. Now I'm happy to train hard and hit up the diet, but my feelings are why wait 4-8 years to get the body I want now.

16 months of lifting is nothing.. you have no idea your best workout strategy yet or your best splits, or how your body reacts to different foods. its just not long enough to gain experience.

there are countless threads on here of guys complaining that they aren't getting any results on roids, and they all have 1 thing in common.. they have little experience in the weight room. the bottom line is if you cannot get good results without roids, then don't expect to get good results on roids or after roids.

it took me 14 years of lifting to find myself to excell at this sport... how and when to eat, how and when to drink.. supplements that work and when to take, how to set up workout splits.. there is so much more that goes into this sport. only then did i decide to juice.

 

[CSB]

guys its human nature , everything these days is instant , from fast foods to fast instant anything, why would one want to wait 10 years and build a foundation when in 6 months its yours ? the temptation is great and will 90% of the time override common sense, most of us agreeing now here are in our 30's not ? hindsight is a powerful tool but one not yet available to a 20yr old , i started in my teens before internet and the world of knowledge now available at your fingertips, and to be honest can never really come off again and sustain my gains etc.

even now i have to restrain myself from doing mammoth cycles with every exotic i can lay my hands on, so i feel for the young ones where self control is but a distant virtue

 

[FT10]

I agree with Radar. Young, wannabe juicers don't realize that if you haven't hit your genetic potential yet through proper diet/training/rest/supplementation, its because fundamentally, you haven't grasped these notions properly. Steroids aren't magic. If you don't know how to eat or train, steroids won't help you make much progress. Then, stupid kids think they have to use more juice when they aren't getting results, when they really just have to tweak their diets and training. They overdose, or don't come off and end up screwing up their health, and end up giving steroids and those who use them a bad name. All this because they're unwilling to do things properly. They put out excuses like "I wanna get there faster" or, "Why can't I have now what I will have then?", but in the end, I think its because they are afraid of hard work. Lets face it, its retardedly hard to be big and shredded. That's what makes bodybuilding fun! If it were as easy as pinning yourself in the ass twice a week or popping 2-3 pills a day, it wouldn't be worth doing. In the end, I think those young "first-cyclers" with no foundation or knowledge are just kidding themselves, and selling themselves short...

 

[StevenM23]

I totally agree with u all , I'm 23 and just started my first cycle of dbol 30mg a day and the reason is I wanna get big faster then the guy next to me , i think it's cause were insecure and this world has turned to what u see is what u get , I know dbol only is bad , but I m in rehab and can't use pins lol. And I've Been pumping hard for 3 years and just feel it's time for a jumpstart. Prolly like fk 3 years ? That's nothing , in my world 3 years is a lifetime haha,

 

[phenom16]

Not for nothing Steve but if you're in rehab you shouldn't be on anything. Get yourself a few years clean before you cycle. Trust me I speak from experience. I have 3 years clean from pinning a completely different kind of drug and just recently started pinning aas.

 

[JAKE-PATRIOTS]

FTR I agree with Nelson and Radar. However, the natural test of an 18 yo is not even close to what some people pin, and then they are stacking shit on top of the test. The argument could be made that if us old guys are doing anything more than TRT then we are in the same boat as the young turks we're here warning?

Don't listen to me, I had blood drawn yesterday in prep for TRT and I fainted. Twice.

 

[Power36]

Radar you are spot on.....I started training seriously in 6th grade......and I was into supplements and trying different nutritional approaches, workout theories, all into my early 30s.....I was a compeitive athlete, powerlifting in high school and college, and a college football player with huge numbers in the weightroom (all natural)....and even with having a much more serious training age than most folks, and experimenting with supplements and diets, I was still making good gains into my early 30s.....because there is so much you can tweak with training, with diet, and supplements to keep making gains.....I had a serious run in with health and medical problems, so found myself on HRT...its been great, brought me back sort of close to my "normal" self....and Im so thankful.....but even with a blast of 400mg Primo in addition to HRT over a year ago, and a recent blast with Var and Masteron and upping my HRT dose, I still havent come close to what I was in my 20s and 30s natural....I think Id have to hit some heavier doses but even then my body couldnt handle the strength I had even 6 years ago natural so thats a moot point in my case at least......but I can assure you that recreational level commerical gym p$ssies in their 20s have not come close to their natural peak in most of the cases these people are posting....most folks dont know how to train, and/or how to eat right to gain, rest and recover properly, and have not been at it hard enough, long enough with consistency, and with enough dedicaiton, balls, and brains to be needing to juice....

I bet many of these internet types could make serious gains even if they did a basic program and supplement schedule, with simple easy diet, and stuck to it with serious dedication for 6 months......ah many of these guys juicing will come and go, they wont be hitting it as long as you have, it will be a year or so or maybe a 5 year period of their life, and then they will not be in the gym anymore.....

find an old Bill Starr program, a 5x5 type squat, clean, bench M/W/F or something...dont even worry about "bodybuilding" for 6 months....just start every workout with heavy squats or deadlifts, then a push pull like push press or bench, chins or rows, some assistance work like RDLs, BB lunges, step ups, and if your lucky enough to have a coach and bumper plates power clean, hang clean, snatch, and other olympic lifting variations until your balls bleed as your bread and butter lifts....then after those hit the squats or deadlifts, then some push pull sets....

hit it hard for at least 6 months, and chug a gallon or two of milk a day with some whey protein thrown in...take a multi vitamin, EFAs, some creatine and beta alanine, and lots of Vitamin C...eat 5 or 6 meals daily of tuna, eggs, chicken, even PBJ on wheat bread with honey as a sauce and slices of bananas, oatmeal, yams, brown rice.........

If youve trained for who knows 5-10 years consistently, and you try the above and dont grow, then maybe give yourself permission to juice hah.....otherwise your still wearing a skirt and looking for shortcuts


Im being sarcastic here with a hint of seriousness....so no need to flame or get defensive for anyone who has little mans syndrome or wants to have a penis measuring contest of why they are juicing or need to juice in their 20s....

 

[stevesmi]

I totally agree with u all , I'm 23 and just started my first cycle of dbol 30mg a day and the reason is I wanna get big faster then the guy next to me , i think it's cause were insecure and this world has turned to what u see is what u get , I know dbol only is bad , but I m in rehab and can't use pins lol. And I've Been pumping hard for 3 years and just feel it's time for a jumpstart. Prolly like fk 3 years ? That's nothing , in my world 3 years is a lifetime haha,

nothing wrong with dbol only but like said above if you are in rehab you have no reason to be messing with ANY drugs. even if its performance enhancing.

 

[stevesmi]

However, the natural test of an 18 yo is not even close to what some people pin.

this absolute myth that a high testosterone level equals bigger muscles has got to stop being bantered around the internet.

i had <100 test levels after my deca cycle a couple years back and I STILL was able to make gains in the weight room. and on the flipside there are plenty of people on TRT with test levels >1000 that are obese and depressed, just youtube vids of guys pinning themselves with test.. 99% of them look like crap.

you need to eat cals, carbs, protein... and you need to know which supps to use.. and you have to know how to workout.. to gain muscle. just having a high test level is not gonna automatically give you muscles. I think this myth was started by some kid who never worked out before then started taking dbol and lifting weights and improved his bench from 85 to 150 which is still wofully below his genetic potential. when he could of gotten his bench to 200 within 3 months of training and eating correctly without any AAS. he probably quit lifting weights after and then dropped back down to 85 and gave up.... I know a guy just like this who is in his 30's.. ran deca, gained a lot of mass and strength.. then after didn't like the fact that he had to cycle off and be natty.. his gains and strength evaporated into thin air.

the bottom line is this.. if you build muscle naturally you learn to appreciate AAS much more when you are on cycle. and when you cycle off you will still be able to make strides cause you aren't dependent on AAS to begin with. with me I am 100% natty the rest of the year and it feels great, I am still making slow and steady gains. then when i run my winter cycle I will have clear rececptors and will take things to another level

 

[kiai]

well I'm 27 yrs natural still, the way I see the use for any enhancement is when results stop coming which haven't been happening yet so..

 

[Amell]

So would it be ok for me, whose 21 5'9 220 at 11%bf to juice?training for 4years

 

[KratosGOW]

So would it be ok for me, whose 21 5'9 220 at 11%bf to juice?training for 4years

do your thing and don't worry on it
Your goals are your goals,not all of us' goals..
If you feel the time it's right then do it,why would you stick to others' thoughts?I totally disagree some of the guys that posted here...I think some of them juiced WAY before they're saying and i'm very sure that if they had a time-machine they would go back in time and use 'em since early years.it's usual to human-mind(envy specially).

 

[Power36]

Build up your brains, your self confidence, and your work ethic before you pull the trigger early on juice....brains, in both a professional career, as well in diet training supplements, will serve you much better than the sauce....self confidence in other areas of life will be more healthier than juice....Ive met alot of low self confidence ego minded folks who juice..the guys who sucked at sports, were nobodies in high school or college, and dying to find ways to get attention from girls or peers....listen, if your a geek and unathletic, you can juice and get bigger, still be a candy ass and be unathletic and still the nerd or geek deep down...nothing wrong with being who you are ,so rock it whether you are big and muscular or ripped or NOT....and I gurantee building yourself up or shredding yourself down a few years naturally, long term will do so much better for your self esteem, ego, and long term life confidence....

Id have considered juicing in my 20s only if I made it to NFL, and would have done it for recovery purposes.....Im not saying its right or wrong, but if your a pro or olympic athlete and its your life and plenty of your peers are doing it and to keep up or last as long with resiliency and such, Id consider the bean...just like Dr Yesalis says on the movie Bigger Stronger Faster.....

And please, if your biceps are bigger than your quads, or you do curls in the squat rack......dont juice yet hahah

 

[rambleJ535]

well I'm 27 yrs natural still, the way I see the use for any enhancement is when results stop coming which haven't been happening yet so..

I completely agree, I started working out on a regular basis over 12 years ago, and during that time, I wasn't seeing quick results. But I kept at it and learned a hell of alot in diet and adopting different training techniques. And I was able to accomplish some great gains after some very hard work. But now that I am in my 30's I am giving test a try and am running my first cycle of sust right now.

 

[njmuscleguy]

To the vets: Ya know what guys, if these know-it-all punks think they have all the answers, then what happens to them down the road is their just desserts. They're only gonna keep coming back until they find some other idiot to agree with them and say it's allllll ok!

And to all the know-it-all punks: do you think it's a coincidence that not only are these "hey, I'm 21, I wanna start this cycle, what do you think" kinda posts are at an all time high, but so are the: "HELP, I HAVE GYNO!" or "HELP, MY SHOULDER HURTS" kinda posts? I...THINK...NOT! Had you taken enough time (i.e. YEARS) to LEARN, the liklihood of you screwing up somehow would've been much, much lower.

I started when I was just under 30... and I'm so glad I did...aside from the fact that I took ample time to figure out what the hell I was doing, AAS puts your body through the wringer... the natural aging process is harsh enough... why the hell would I wanna speed it up or make it that much tougher??

My pics on here are current, after being "off" for several years... no, I'm not a monster and I don't bench a ridiculous amount of weight...but I think I'm alright for a 36-yr old.... the point is, you CAN make significant gains WITHOUT AAS... if I can do it at 36, imagine your potential at 21?? I WISH I had started working out at 21!!!

Ok, I'm done with my rant

 

[KratosGOW]

muscleguy if your main objective is look good for chicks i can get what you're saying.
You are generalizing too much,what does that s. mean?
So you're saying that u never asked about AAS and when started using them?If that's your worry what's the difference between starting at 30 and starting at 23?You would still have to ask questions because SIDES COME AFTER U USE STEROIDS,not before,so you have been lucky,but if u had gyno or shit that u mentioned what would u have done?I think you would have come here and ask as "newbies".
If somebody doesn't agree the majority is an idiot right?
Great brain!

 

[njmuscleguy]

muscleguy if your main objective is look good for chicks i can get what you're saying.
You are generalizing too much,what does that s. mean?
So you're saying that u never asked about AAS and when started using them?If that's your worry what's the difference between starting at 30 and starting at 23?You would still have to ask questions because SIDES COME AFTER U USE STEROIDS,not before,so you have been lucky,but if u had gyno or shit that u mentioned what would u have done?I think you would have come here and ask as "newbies".
If somebody doesn't agree the majority is an idiot right?
Great brain!

no, my main objective was to look good for ME

and I don't think I'm generalizing too much at all... all one has to do is look around on this board alone to know that what I (we) are saying is true... sure, there could be some random young guys that my so-called "generalization" doesn't apply to, but that's few and far in between... again, just LOOK at these posts on here

Of course I asked questions about AAS before I started...for YEARS... not just "oh, I've been training for 6 months...I've been training for a year... I've been training for LONG TIME, almost 2-3 years!" ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? Sorry, 2-3 years is NOT a long time to train... and even knowledgeable bros who have been training for much longer will admit that they could still learn alot more. So that being said, if you've only just started learning about weights, routines, and diet... you want to dip into the AAS ocean on top of that? YAH, REALLY SMART! Learn what weights and food can do for your body FIRST... THEN enhance it with AAS.

And I'm not saying it's not ok to ask questions... that is, after all, why most of us are here... but it's one thing if you've taken the time to know what you're doing, run into a problem and ask for help, it's another to be absolutely friggin' LAZY, jump into a cycle brashly at a young age, or, come on here as a newbie, ask 2-3 questions, and think you've got all the answers and THEN have those same problems, only to come back here again crying for help...

Again, TAKE TIME, DO RESEARCH... learn about your body and diet and training... learn about AAS... THEN DO IT.... (not the other way around)

 

[njmuscleguy]

btw, you can do what you want.... do what YOUR "great brains" tell you... I don't care either way... none of us are here making money off of giving SOUND advice... we're here to help, we're looking out for each other... if you think otherwise, then that's YOUR problem... maybe you should start your own forum and tell all the kidz out there that it's OK TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.... "great brains!"

 

[njmuscleguy]

man, I'm sure glad I'm not on anything right now! *laugh*

 

[C0LUMB0]

Basically you get a young guy that heard from his buddy - eh who happens to be another young guy that theres a dude at the gym that has some "stuff" that if you take it for 10 weeks you will be muscle bound and totally ripped.
They hear that your weiner cant get a woody and you can boobs or something if things go wrong BUT the good news is that the dude at the gym has a solution to that too !!! its called hgc or something... and some cloimdex tablets too ( that you take before bed every wednesday or something ) .

So you get your stuff and its time to rock and fucking roll baby!
..... but just for back-up you start a thread on a forum.

Tread title : I need to get ready for beach season .

whats up bro's . ive been lifting on and off for the last 8 weeks and i'm not seeing any gains.
I have a raspberry slushee ,a bowl of chocolate wheetos and banana 3 times a day and i i swear i aint seeing shit - so im ready for juice to get over this plateau.

My question is 100mg of dball everyday enough to get me ripped in time for the chicks on the beach ?





If the young guy is lucky he will post it on EF and will get sound advice on how to train ,eat and be patient when it comes to results.



Like RADAR says " Keep dreaming there is no magic pill kid "

 

[Jaxtwo1]

Oh, Id love to comment, but you guys already warned me about being mean. joke.
Seriously though, these kids have to ask themselves this question. Is this just a fad, and do you want to be slightly bigger for just a short while? Or do you want to be even bigger and still lifting well into your 40's and up?. I bet if you ask all of them why they want to do it, they will say pussy, to get chicks. Good luck with that when your fireman is broken.

 

[UA_Iron]

I'm surprised that age group is still interested in looking big - that hasn't been cool for a decade or so. I thought the faggy feminine look was in?


Age aside, a lot of these people are starting with too little experience. Wanna know what they'll do instead? Pick some prohormones.

 

[zedhed]

LOL^^^ yeah thats what I thought too bro.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Build up your brains, your self confidence, and your work ethic before you pull the trigger early on juice....brains, in both a professional career, as well in diet training supplements, will serve you much better than the sauce....self confidence in other areas of life will be more healthier than juice....Ive met alot of low self confidence ego minded folks who juice..the guys who sucked at sports, were nobodies in high school or college, and dying to find ways to get attention from girls or peers....listen, if your a geek and unathletic, you can juice and get bigger, still be a candy ass and be unathletic and still the nerd or geek deep down...nothing wrong with being who you are ,so rock it whether you are big and muscular or ripped or NOT....and I gurantee building yourself up or shredding yourself down a few years naturally, long term will do so much better for your self esteem, ego, and long term life confidence....

Id have considered juicing in my 20s only if I made it to NFL, and would have done it for recovery purposes.....Im not saying its right or wrong, but if your a pro or olympic athlete and its your life and plenty of your peers are doing it and to keep up or last as long with resiliency and such, Id consider the bean...just like Dr Yesalis says on the movie Bigger Stronger Faster.....

And please, if your biceps are bigger than your quads, or you do curls in the squat rack......dont juice yet hahah

I just have to say I love this guy! No homo of course. There is nothing worse than some asshole curling in the squat rack! Great post bro!

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App

 

[stevesmi]

columbo and UA. LOL, so true what you two wrote and funny.

i've told this story a couple times but i will say it again. i was doing incline 225 pounds and some skinny high school kid asks me "whoa do you need a spot?" and i say "nah i'm good thanks" .. then he asks "but thats 225 pounds!!" and i go "yup i know" then i reel off 10 reps and he asks me "how are you that strong?" so i say "gotta bust your ass in the weightroom everyday, gotta eat a lot of carbs, cals, and protein" .. he gives me this look like 'damn that sounds like too much work' and walks away. they think a magic pill is all they need, its weird because at that age I understood that you had to lift hard to build muscle.. i just think a lot of young guys nowadays would rather play xbox or party then dedicate themselves to the weight room after school/work.

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

Hi all. This my first write ....
I totally agree, was at the gym today and I suspected these two lads on gear and they so young, 20 at a push. I started at 14 and only went to the gym as bullied and I'm going to say it i was fat! I got strong and big and lost all my weight by learning, trying new lifts, exercises, reps and techniques etc...., still learning now. Took me five years to build up the confidence to try some gear, only after hours of reading and Being ripped off on sourcing Steroids I gave it ago. I in a way respect people for trying but nevertheless if used improperly will mess you up big time. Please excuse my rant. Thanks guys great site.

 

[Power36]

I just have to say I love this guy! No homo of course. There is nothing worse than some asshole curling in the squat rack! Great post bro!

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Haha....totally understandable...I usually hold off on my tangents online and vent only to my athlete and coach friends....I know it hurts peoples feelings or gets them all bent....I cant do commercial gyms.....stuff that goes on in commercial gyms is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me....I want to lift alone or with competitive high school, college, and professional athletes....

And to another comment in the thread, yea I moved to SoCa thinking there would be yoked MoFos all over...I grew up reading all the bodybuilding magazines thinking Cali was the place for meatheads who wanted to be big....not so not so...Venice is full of vagrants and degenerates, drug addicts, homeless, and general low lifes and Kush doctors....and skinny and cut is in, not big and jacked....