Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I totally agree with u all , I'm 23 and just started my first cycle of dbol 30mg a day and the reason is I wanna get big faster then the guy next to me , i think it's cause were insecure and this world has turned to what u see is what u get , I know dbol only is bad , but I m in rehab and can't use pins lol. And I've Been pumping hard for 3 years and just feel it's time for a jumpstart. Prolly like fk 3 years ? That's nothing , in my world 3 years is a lifetime haha,
Whats the hurry?
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FTR I agree with Nelson and Radar. However, the natural test of an 18 yo is not even close to what some people pin, and then they are stacking shit on top of the test. The argument could be made that if us old guys are doing anything more than TRT then we are in the same boat as the young turks we're here warning?
Don't listen to me, I had blood drawn yesterday in prep for TRT and I fainted. Twice.
Don't listen to me, I had blood drawn yesterday in prep for TRT and I fainted. Twice.
Radar you are spot on.....I started training seriously in 6th grade......and I was into supplements and trying different nutritional approaches, workout theories, all into my early 30s.....I was a compeitive athlete, powerlifting in high school and college, and a college football player with huge numbers in the weightroom (all natural)....and even with having a much more serious training age than most folks, and experimenting with supplements and diets, I was still making good gains into my early 30s.....because there is so much you can tweak with training, with diet, and supplements to keep making gains.....I had a serious run in with health and medical problems, so found myself on HRT...its been great, brought me back sort of close to my "normal" self....and Im so thankful.....but even with a blast of 400mg Primo in addition to HRT over a year ago, and a recent blast with Var and Masteron and upping my HRT dose, I still havent come close to what I was in my 20s and 30s natural....I think Id have to hit some heavier doses but even then my body couldnt handle the strength I had even 6 years ago natural so thats a moot point in my case at least......but I can assure you that recreational level commerical gym p$ssies in their 20s have not come close to their natural peak in most of the cases these people are posting....most folks dont know how to train, and/or how to eat right to gain, rest and recover properly, and have not been at it hard enough, long enough with consistency, and with enough dedicaiton, balls, and brains to be needing to juice....
I bet many of these internet types could make serious gains even if they did a basic program and supplement schedule, with simple easy diet, and stuck to it with serious dedication for 6 months......ah many of these guys juicing will come and go, they wont be hitting it as long as you have, it will be a year or so or maybe a 5 year period of their life, and then they will not be in the gym anymore.....
find an old Bill Starr program, a 5x5 type squat, clean, bench M/W/F or something...dont even worry about "bodybuilding" for 6 months....just start every workout with heavy squats or deadlifts, then a push pull like push press or bench, chins or rows, some assistance work like RDLs, BB lunges, step ups, and if your lucky enough to have a coach and bumper plates power clean, hang clean, snatch, and other olympic lifting variations until your balls bleed as your bread and butter lifts....then after those hit the squats or deadlifts, then some push pull sets....
hit it hard for at least 6 months, and chug a gallon or two of milk a day with some whey protein thrown in...take a multi vitamin, EFAs, some creatine and beta alanine, and lots of Vitamin C...eat 5 or 6 meals daily of tuna, eggs, chicken, even PBJ on wheat bread with honey as a sauce and slices of bananas, oatmeal, yams, brown rice.........
If youve trained for who knows 5-10 years consistently, and you try the above and dont grow, then maybe give yourself permission to juice hah.....otherwise your still wearing a skirt and looking for shortcuts
Im being sarcastic here with a hint of seriousness....so no need to flame or get defensive for anyone who has little mans syndrome or wants to have a penis measuring contest of why they are juicing or need to juice in their 20s....
I bet many of these internet types could make serious gains even if they did a basic program and supplement schedule, with simple easy diet, and stuck to it with serious dedication for 6 months......ah many of these guys juicing will come and go, they wont be hitting it as long as you have, it will be a year or so or maybe a 5 year period of their life, and then they will not be in the gym anymore.....
find an old Bill Starr program, a 5x5 type squat, clean, bench M/W/F or something...dont even worry about "bodybuilding" for 6 months....just start every workout with heavy squats or deadlifts, then a push pull like push press or bench, chins or rows, some assistance work like RDLs, BB lunges, step ups, and if your lucky enough to have a coach and bumper plates power clean, hang clean, snatch, and other olympic lifting variations until your balls bleed as your bread and butter lifts....then after those hit the squats or deadlifts, then some push pull sets....
hit it hard for at least 6 months, and chug a gallon or two of milk a day with some whey protein thrown in...take a multi vitamin, EFAs, some creatine and beta alanine, and lots of Vitamin C...eat 5 or 6 meals daily of tuna, eggs, chicken, even PBJ on wheat bread with honey as a sauce and slices of bananas, oatmeal, yams, brown rice.........
If youve trained for who knows 5-10 years consistently, and you try the above and dont grow, then maybe give yourself permission to juice hah.....otherwise your still wearing a skirt and looking for shortcuts
Im being sarcastic here with a hint of seriousness....so no need to flame or get defensive for anyone who has little mans syndrome or wants to have a penis measuring contest of why they are juicing or need to juice in their 20s....
nothing wrong with dbol only but like said above if you are in rehab you have no reason to be messing with ANY drugs. even if its performance enhancing.
this absolute myth that a high testosterone level equals bigger muscles has got to stop being bantered around the internet.
i had <100 test levels after my deca cycle a couple years back and I STILL was able to make gains in the weight room. and on the flipside there are plenty of people on TRT with test levels >1000 that are obese and depressed, just youtube vids of guys pinning themselves with test.. 99% of them look like crap.
you need to eat cals, carbs, protein... and you need to know which supps to use.. and you have to know how to workout.. to gain muscle. just having a high test level is not gonna automatically give you muscles. I think this myth was started by some kid who never worked out before then started taking dbol and lifting weights and improved his bench from 85 to 150 which is still wofully below his genetic potential. when he could of gotten his bench to 200 within 3 months of training and eating correctly without any AAS. he probably quit lifting weights after and then dropped back down to 85 and gave up.... I know a guy just like this who is in his 30's.. ran deca, gained a lot of mass and strength.. then after didn't like the fact that he had to cycle off and be natty.. his gains and strength evaporated into thin air.
the bottom line is this.. if you build muscle naturally you learn to appreciate AAS much more when you are on cycle. and when you cycle off you will still be able to make strides cause you aren't dependent on AAS to begin with. with me I am 100% natty the rest of the year and it feels great, I am still making slow and steady gains. then when i run my winter cycle I will have clear rececptors and will take things to another level
do your thing and don't worry on it
Your goals are your goals,not all of us' goals..
If you feel the time it's right then do it,why would you stick to others' thoughts?I totally disagree some of the guys that posted here...I think some of them juiced WAY before they're saying and i'm very sure that if they had a time-machine they would go back in time and use 'em since early years.it's usual to human-mind(envy specially).
Build up your brains, your self confidence, and your work ethic before you pull the trigger early on juice....brains, in both a professional career, as well in diet training supplements, will serve you much better than the sauce....self confidence in other areas of life will be more healthier than juice....Ive met alot of low self confidence ego minded folks who juice..the guys who sucked at sports, were nobodies in high school or college, and dying to find ways to get attention from girls or peers....listen, if your a geek and unathletic, you can juice and get bigger, still be a candy ass and be unathletic and still the nerd or geek deep down...nothing wrong with being who you are ,so rock it whether you are big and muscular or ripped or NOT....and I gurantee building yourself up or shredding yourself down a few years naturally, long term will do so much better for your self esteem, ego, and long term life confidence....
Id have considered juicing in my 20s only if I made it to NFL, and would have done it for recovery purposes.....Im not saying its right or wrong, but if your a pro or olympic athlete and its your life and plenty of your peers are doing it and to keep up or last as long with resiliency and such, Id consider the bean...just like Dr Yesalis says on the movie Bigger Stronger Faster.....
And please, if your biceps are bigger than your quads, or you do curls in the squat rack......dont juice yet hahah
Id have considered juicing in my 20s only if I made it to NFL, and would have done it for recovery purposes.....Im not saying its right or wrong, but if your a pro or olympic athlete and its your life and plenty of your peers are doing it and to keep up or last as long with resiliency and such, Id consider the bean...just like Dr Yesalis says on the movie Bigger Stronger Faster.....
And please, if your biceps are bigger than your quads, or you do curls in the squat rack......dont juice yet hahah
