What Do Ya'll Think About Mike Metzer Workout Routine?

[Grizzly]

Re: He had a great body!

If his idea or way of training sucks so bad................how about Dorian Yates!

Ok, I hate this. For the last time, Dorian Yates was not trained by Mentzer nor did he use the Heavy Duty system. He did utilize a fairly low volume system, but it was a far cry from what is laid out by Mentzer. The reason that this story got to be the way it is is because it was good publicity for the both of them and the bodybuilding game is very much about name recognition. Check out the interview with Dorian at T-mag. He dispels it all there. Also, for the first 6 or 7 years of his training he employed the traditional high volume routines that most bodybuilders use.

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Re: He had a great body!

Ok, I hate this. For the last time, Dorian Yates was not trained by Mentzer nor did he use the Heavy Duty system. He did utilize a fairly low volume system, but it was a far cry from what is laid out by Mentzer. The reason that this story got to be the way it is is because it was good publicity for the both of them and the bodybuilding game is very much about name recognition. Check out the interview with Dorian at T-mag. He dispels it all there. Also, for the first 6 or 7 years of his training he employed the traditional high volume routines that most bodybuilders use.

agree and disagree.

we need to define Yates stlye.

he used several sets to get warmed up on a particular exercise, then did a set to failure, then mayber another drop set.

then he would move to another exercise and do 1 warm up set, and 2 set to failure.

then another exercise and do 1 warm up set, and one to failure.

so the answer is really a combo

the first exercise is volume in the sense that it thoroughly prepares the body for a max set, but the folowing exercises are definitly in the high intensity style.

soory it's lat eso for clarification her would be a sample workout for a body part.


chest

decline

1 set by 50%
1 set by 75%
1 set by 90%
1 set max weight till absolute failure
rest- pause do another 4 reps

incline dumbells

1 set by 75%
1set max weight till absolute failure


cable fys

1 set by 75%
1 set max weight till absolute failure

 

[transplant]

Re: Dorian Yates

O.K Grizzly,
I am not going to waste too much time with you or your posts, but as far as Dorian Yates................... I never fucking said Mentzer trained him! He did train with Mentzer one time! He also states in his new book that "Over the years, I increased the intensity to the point where I currently do one all-out main set for each exercise. It took me 9 yrs. to develop the powers of concentration that allowed me to apply myself 100% to one all-out set per exercise." In chaper two of his new book (A portrait of Dorian Yates) he states "I formulated my training philosophy using MIKE MENTZER'S HEAVY DUTY high-intensity principles as a base."
You don't even train Heavy Duty / high intensity.......so why you post on the subject or even think you know what the hell your talking about is beyond me, but try posting on a subject you know about......... it is helpful to the reader!

 

[transplant]

Whoops!

The book is called a" A Warriors's Story"

 

[Grizzly]

Re: Re: Dorian Yates

I am not going to waste too much time with you or your posts, but as far as Dorian Yates................... I never fucking said Mentzer trained him!

You don't even train Heavy Duty / high intensity.......so why you post on the subject or even think you know what the hell your talking about is beyond me, but try posting on a subject you know about......... it is helpful to the reader!

No, you didn't say that, but that is part of the myth that surrounds the whole thing that many people buy into.

And I don't know anything about HIT why? What, I can't read a fucking book? I've done my share a reading about it which is why I know that I don't like it, thank you very much. Actually, let me amend that. I've read about Heavy Duty and I don't like it. I consider what I do to be very high intensity. Maybe I can't claim to do HIT, as it is laid out in the HIT faq, but what I do is definitely very high intensity.

 

[Charlie B]

I knew Mike Mentzer very well, and was lucky enough to stay with him over a couple of summers, training and just learning. You can't argue with logic, simplicity, and results. I had a great deal of respect for Mike and was very sad when I heard about his death. One thing I always enjoyed was watching him debate with his critics over his training theories. I never once saw him have to hesitate, think about it, or research it when it came to a response to a question. I can't say the same about those that challenged him. And to Grizzly, can you explain why High Intensity Training is "shit" and other workouts are not? Do you even know the philosophy behind the system?

 

[Charlie B]

Clarification ---- Mike Mentzer did train Dorian Yates. This is not a myth it is a fact. Dorian Yates did adopt the high intensity routine with some slight modifications, but when you are on the juice you recover faster and can afford it, whereas those that are natural have little room for error.

 

[transplant]

You are wasting your time!!!!!!

Charlie B,
I envy you for knowing Mike Mentzer! I would not waste your time with Grizzly..........he is surely not going to change his way of thinking! I previously replyed to this post to stick up for Mike Mentzer / Heavy Duty / H.I.T.
Any post on this subject is going bring attention to people who just have no idea about the subject or someone who tried it and not properly used it! I love to debate this subject and will defend it with facts and not myths. I do know that Dorian Yates traveled to the US and had Mentzer train him, but it was for two weeks and he asked mike to do this because after Mentzer supervised his bicep workout , Dorian was so impressed with Mentzer! Dorian noticed an improvement right away and asked mike to train him for the next two weeks, so he could go home to England and use the one set per exercise idea for his 1992 Olympia training! This is what Grizzly was debating and he is 100% wrong! I agree with you about Dorian's steroid use, steroids will increase you recovery ability........so he put more of a demand on his system to compensate.......which still lead him to the one set per exercise and he just worked out more often!
Dorian's workout had a few warm up sets, but not all his exercises had warm up sets! These guys think they are working sets and that falls into the theory of "Dorian used to do alot of sets" which is also false! Heavy Duty also has you preform warm-up sets......which is not really in depth in his books, but in his video!
For anyone who questions Heavy Duty or has intrest, I recommend watching the video!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Charlie B]

Thanks Transplant. I'm new to this site, but it hasn't taken me long to figure out that many of these people ask questions but don't pay attention to the answers. Training theorie is not complicated, people just make it so. Mike used to tell me "don't have an open mind, have an active mind. An open mind takes in everything assuming that it has some value, an active mind takes in everything, analyzes it, keeps what is valid, and gets rid of what isn't." It sounds like you're a thinker. Would be pleasure talking some more in the future.

 

[transplant]

Thanks!

I appreciate it! I am sort of new myself....... to the board, but not to the game!