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What constitutes overtraining

bigp3

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I think many people are confused and bewildered by the question of how many sets per body part should they do in a workout. I know I have asked myself this very thing many times. This seems to be the most common question that I hear from people that are beginner and intermediate bodybuilders/ weight trainers. Well, the more I thought about it, the more it became apparent to me that the answer is quite simple. You do enough to stimulate growth and allow yourself to recover in the shortest possible time so you can workout and grow again.

With this thought in mind, I found that it is possible to induce growth from just one set. Yes, I said it, one set. I know this is a taboo Mike Mentzer style of thinking, but it is the best way to train bar none in my opinion.

Let’s break this down for a second and understand the principles of why one set works. First off, I know that most of us experienced lifters have heard of the overload principle. This principle is key to my thinking. For those of you that have not let me explain. The overload principle simply states that all that is necessary to stimulate growth is an overload from the previous workout. I.E. Joe Blow benched 315 for 8 reps last week and he does 10 with it this week. This constitutes an overload and induces muscle growth. You say bullshit, right? Well hold your guns for a second tex, the overload principle has been scientifically proven and is accepted medically. It is also printed in many college medical text books. Go look.

Now, let’s go back to Joe Blow’s bench workout for a second. With the overload principle in mind and understood now, what is the point in Joe doing more sets of bench when he has already produced the stimulus to grow. I say it is pointless. What does Joe gain by doing more sets? Well let’s see, nothing. He has already produced the overload required to grow. What does Joe have to lose by doing more sets? Well for each additional set Joe does, he is increasing the trauma caused to the muscle and using more of his body’s resources to fuel the extra effort. What does this mean? It means that Joe has increased his recovery time from his workout. His body is going to need more time to repair than it would have with one set. This translates into Joe having to take an extra couple of days off to recover compared to if he just done one set. Well you say, so what, it is only a couple of days. You are exactly right a couple of days it is. Well over the course of a year those couple of days translate into months of lost training. Let’s say Joe can only train twice a two week span doing a high set workout as compared to being able to train 3 times in two weeks doing one set. Well that does not sound like all that much of a difference, but it is. Think about it, he can train 78 times using 1 set in a year as compared to 52 the high volume way. That is a 50% increase in his growth producing workouts per year. Yep that is right. 50%. You tell me which is more efficient. Remember this, bodybuilding is a game of detail and the small things you do each day or each week add up to major differences over the sum of a year.

An explanation on sets. When I say 1 set, I mean 1 work set per body part. I in no way expect you to come into the gym and put 315 on the bar and start benching it. Warm ups do not count as work sets. I say do as little as possibly needed to warm up, but don’t skip it.

Another note, one set per body part is not going to work if you are not giving 100% effort. It is going to be a waste of time. You have to put your balls into it ladies.

I know what I have just said is going to have a lot of you scratching your heads and saying I am an idiot. People are not receptive to change and never will be. They like to hold onto the things that they believe are true. Remember, it was a well known fact that the world was flat. People were chastised and locked away for life for believing otherwise. Keep and open mind and think critically about things.

Peace out,

P
 
"Another note, one set per body part is not going to work if you are not giving 100% effort. It is going to be a waste of time. You have to put your balls into it ladies."



Yeah, low volume doesn't mean "train like a little girl." It means go in and froth at the mouth for 45 minutes, then go home and eat yourself silly.


That's how I train. 3 workouts/week. 3 exercises/workout. 1-2 sets/exercise. And don't be afraid to go a little nuts in there. Paint your face before your workouts. Scream at people who aren't lifting.
 
Low volume will work...until your body adapts. You must vary the volume...along with the intensity, frequency, duration, etc...

No one training routine will work forever...variation is key.
 
bigp3 said:

Another note, one set per body part is not going to work if you are not giving 100% effort. It is going to be a waste of time. You have to put your balls into it ladies.

I switched to HST over a year ago and I can concur that doing less sets per muscle per session allows you to work at a higher intensity level than those that do maraton sessions. I modified the HST to complete the whole body in two days with 5-6 sets per body part. After a few weeks doing this... I wondered how the hell I was able to do 16 sets per body part. Well, the reason was the intensity. Now I go into my set leaving nothing in the tank. I start with maximal weights and pound the muscle fast and hard.

I think of it this way. Say you can Bench press 275 for 12 reps. Now say you do a 1 day session of 15 sets on the Bench Press (we would never do this, but bare with me) with 275 pounds 12 reps per set. How many reps would you get by the 5th set? The 8th? The 10th? The 15th? Not 12 I would imagine.

Now Spread you 15 sets over three sessions within the same week and now doing 5 sets of 275 for 12 reps per session. Seems possible now, doesn't it?

By spreading it out, you worked the same amount of sets at a much higher intensity. Thus... this is why I like HST.
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Doggcrap...I disagree with this line of thinking.

That's fine, but I would have to AGREE with bigp3 and Doggcrapp.. I have been doing this training and routine and I have never been more sore in my entire life and my poundages have been increasing at every workout, along with weight gain.. I guess that's safe to say that it works.

Overload is really the KEY for maximal muscle growth, but doing 4-5 sets per bodypart is simply INSANE! it just simply further recovery time, as bigP just said above. All you need to do is 2-3 warm up sets nowhere near of your final "work-set" poundages... warm-up are simply warm-ups! then hit it hardcore/balls-out at your last set. You'll see results. I promise ya. :p

Also want to note that it is imperative to keep a journal because you want to keep beating your previous workout/poundages. Why keep benching 275 all year long? You wanna increase it, hell that's why they make 2.5 pound plate bros! They should be your BEST friends in the gym!!
 
MikeyG said:


That's fine, but I would have to AGREE with bigp3 and Doggcrapp.. I have been doing this training and routine and I have never been more sore in my entire life and my poundages have been increasing at every workout, along with weight gain.. I guess that's safe to say that it works.

Overload is really the KEY for maximal muscle growth, but doing 4-5 sets per bodypart is simply INSANE! it just simply further recovery time, as bigP just said above. All you need to do is 2-3 warm up sets nowhere near of your final "work-set" poundages... warm-up are simply warm-ups! then hit it hardcore/balls-out at your last set. You'll see results. I promise ya. :p

Also want to note that it is imperative to keep a journal because you want to keep beating your previous workout/poundages. Why keep benching 275 all year long? You wanna increase it, hell that's why they make 2.5 pound plate bros! They should be your BEST friends in the gym!!

I realize that it works, I don't doubt that. I just don't think you will get the best possible results if you ALWAYS work at high intensity/low volume. Of course, if you do this...you will make gains. But I think in order to keep moving forward, you should increase the volume and decrease the intensity at certain times...and then bring the intensity back up and the volume back down. You can't let your body (musculoskeletal system and neuromuscular system, along with various other physiological systems) adapt to one type of training...IMO variation is necessary.

That's just my theory, I don't expect others to follow it...That's just what I've picked up from school, reading all over the place, and personal experience. Everyone's gotta learn for themselves, and everyone believes in different training theories...you gotta go with what you believe in.
 
ok well i personally have never even heard of this method but definatly sounds interesting.

The way i work out is ill do a few warm up sets then after that kill my self on every single set, going untill failure.
In the mean time after i get to like my 3rd exercise i sometimes find myself thinking is this still doing any good for me. I train one body part a week. I find my self literally sore for the entire week that muscle is resting. I always thought it was some kind of genetics. You know like my muscles just recover a little slower than everyone else. I guess maybe its not.
On the other hand i find my self making very decent gains including body weight gains.
So what ever happened to the Arnold kill yourself on every set method? Does any body else use this method too and does it work for them.

Also this other method of traing is it possible to perform without a training partner.
Who's got some other examples of routines they do while on this program.
 
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