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What bodybuilders looked like before GH
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jdevlin1985
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strohs said:This picture was in the current issue of FLEX. Great article by Arnold about the current state of bodybuilding and the hopeful push to deduct points for having a GH gut.
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Makavelli
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strohs said:This picture was in the current issue of FLEX. Great article by Arnold about the current state of bodybuilding and the hopeful push to deduct points for having a GH gut.
The NY show certainly up held the new mandate about GH guts. We'll see what happens at the O.
Makavelli
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halfaclue said:
They released a memo in April stating that they will be judging for symmetry, proportion, and a V taper. Those physiques that display a thick waist and distended gut will be marked down. I didn't think that they would actually do it, but it appears they are. Like I said above, let's see how the O turns out. If one of the more classical physiques wins, then we'll have our answer.
strohs
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The mandate is that if your gut looks like your hiding a small mexican village then you will lose points in competition. So many newcomers to bodybuilding are sold to think that the more mass you have the better you will place. In actuality that is what bodybuilding has resorted to. The judges are not being responsible and are letting guys get away with having huge guts.
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"The race for mass seems to have taken us away from the classic cornerstones of bodybuilding: aesthetic all-around proportionate development, in which wide shoulders, a small waist and balance throughout the whole physique are the keys. Now we see guys in the pro ranks who are huge with distended stomachs and no abdominal control. I know that IFBB Pro Division Chairman Jim Manion is zeroing in on this problem and will, beginning with the New York Pro contest on May 21st, be directing the judging panels to penalize guys with protruding stomachs and strange looking lumps."
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I think Ronnie is in trouble for this years O.
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"The race for mass seems to have taken us away from the classic cornerstones of bodybuilding: aesthetic all-around proportionate development, in which wide shoulders, a small waist and balance throughout the whole physique are the keys. Now we see guys in the pro ranks who are huge with distended stomachs and no abdominal control. I know that IFBB Pro Division Chairman Jim Manion is zeroing in on this problem and will, beginning with the New York Pro contest on May 21st, be directing the judging panels to penalize guys with protruding stomachs and strange looking lumps."
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I think Ronnie is in trouble for this years O.
organon250
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I hope so those distended bellies look like shit anyway. having that V taper and being able to hit a vacuum like zane and arnold used to is the bomb it just makes your upper body explode onstage
Themachine01
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i know that arnold didnt have the gut, but he did use GH, just not to the extreme that the bodybuilders of today use it.
strohs
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Makavelli said:
Yeah I didn't really mean to come down on GH. I really meant to focus on the gut that it can cause when abused. I've heard great stories about GH and plan on trying it soon when I study up on it more and can save up the dough to buy it. You rarely see the vacuum pose anymore on stage.
Anyone remember when bodybuilding shows and competitions were on television pretty regular back in the early nineties? I live in Mississippi and have not seen a televised bodybuilding show on any channel since Arnold and Haney retired. Sad.
Themachine01
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strohs said:
the gut also comes from the addition of insulin to GH, which I do not believe Arnold used.
strohs said:
That is because most pros today CANT hit the vacuum pose
(with the massive intestines and distended GUTS they have 
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bicepts101
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if they accually start enforcing it...ill probably start watching shows....i hate the huge waists
_Yossarian_
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IGF isnt helping the situation either!
Themachine01
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manny78 said:
I could be wrong, but Im pretty sure that Arnold used GH to some degree in his prime, it was definately around at that time.
landser
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Themachine01 said:
Im not sure if any of the bodybuilders in that era used GH.
The first synthetic GH was manufactured in 1985, by genentech. Before that, GH was gathered from cadavers, but this often caused CJD, a brain wasting disease...so if these guys were using GH, it was not the safe synthetic ones of today.
concordsize
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the whole lifestyle has changed since arnold. BB's in Arnolds time usto stay inshape most of the year. Now guys eat all they want untill contest diet time. I agree that insulin and gh are main reasons for guts now but the food also plays a huge role.
silverbackn
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Food doesn't make your internal organs grow.concordsize said:
shadowhunta
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right, food does not make your internal organs grow. however, talk to any of the guys at the national level and above, and they will tell you that the majority of distention comes from overeating.
when you consume large amounts of calories (6500-7500 per day) your stomach and associated abdominal muscles eventually begin to relax to accomodate the large amounts of food taken in. this is exacerbated by lying down after eating. ever look at a male silverback gorilla?
most of these guys are eating enormous amounts of food in the off season in order to gain weight, because as we have all seen mass rules the game right now. you wanna get big, you gotta eat. period.
you also have to take into account that the walls of muscle in these guy's abdomens become very, VERY thick over time with the heavy squats and deadlifting and general stress that the abs (and lower back really) go through during heavy lifting.
do steroids and growth hormone cause internal organs to grow? absolutely. there is no doubt that in an anabolic phase other tissues in the body grow besides just muscle.
however you cannot say that the distended bellies of the top mass monsters are due solely to the use of hgh. if is more likely due to the all out pursuit of mass (extreme amounts of food and drugs and heavy lifting) that is required to get to the top of the game.
when you consume large amounts of calories (6500-7500 per day) your stomach and associated abdominal muscles eventually begin to relax to accomodate the large amounts of food taken in. this is exacerbated by lying down after eating. ever look at a male silverback gorilla?
most of these guys are eating enormous amounts of food in the off season in order to gain weight, because as we have all seen mass rules the game right now. you wanna get big, you gotta eat. period.
you also have to take into account that the walls of muscle in these guy's abdomens become very, VERY thick over time with the heavy squats and deadlifting and general stress that the abs (and lower back really) go through during heavy lifting.
do steroids and growth hormone cause internal organs to grow? absolutely. there is no doubt that in an anabolic phase other tissues in the body grow besides just muscle.
however you cannot say that the distended bellies of the top mass monsters are due solely to the use of hgh. if is more likely due to the all out pursuit of mass (extreme amounts of food and drugs and heavy lifting) that is required to get to the top of the game.
marshallmadman
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silverbackn said:
Actually, eating a lot of food stretches your abdominal wall over time giving you the appearance of a beer gut. I know everyone on here has an uncle that can eat 3 plates full of food at thanksgiving, and he has a huge gut, but when you punch him in the gut it's hard as a rock. That's distentia. It can be avoided.
silverbackn
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Hold on a second! Guys have been "bulking" since the beginning of competitive bodybuilding. These huge guts were never seen until the heavy use of GH became a factor. Being bloated from eatin huge amounts of food is one thing, being in contest condition with a 40 inch waist is an entirely different circumstance.
marshallmadman
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silverbackn said:
I'm definitely not saying that you are wrong about GH being a factor. I am just saying that it is possible to get a distended gut from eating too much at one time. It's definitely GH, but eating 10,000 calories per day divided into 6 meals ain't helpin' matters either.
silverbackn
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I agree that it may not be helping, it might exacerbate it, but without GH I don't think it would exist to a noticeable level.marshallmadman said:
marshallmadman
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silverbackn said:
Without GH it wouldn't really be possible to eat that much food without becoming a fat bastard.
silverbackn
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That might be true!marshallmadman said:
silverbackn
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That is DEFINITELY true! It's like me tellling some 17 year old kid i just take creatine. They are watching their back the same way we are. Except they are in the spotlight.Makavelli said:
BOOEY
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I doubt they'll change the way they judge at the O - the pendulum will never swing back. What sets the top 10 apart from the rest of the world is their freakish size, and you're only gonna get that big by using slin and gh, along with everything else. If the pendulum swings back and they start judging for the best aesthetic body, a body which is pleasing to the eye, think of how many people would be eligible to win? No, Ronnie wins again this year, retires, and Jay wins next year.
JustGottaKnow
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It's amazing to me Arnold looked like that with all the supposed D-Bol he took. I'm just amazed.
silverbackn
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None of the old school dudes had gyno that I am aware of, or atleast I have never seen a pic of one of them with puffy nips. Yes, that was very off topic. Just something I have noticed.
I think that it is possible to get what some call a "GH gut" from doing lots of heavy squats and deadlifts. My waist is pretty thick, and yet I have never messed with the likes of GH and or insulin. Once my squats got up over 500 lbs, my waist really began to thicken up. Those muscles really work hard to stabilize the body under those heavy loads.
JustGottaKnow
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Maybe todays gear is just bunk.
strohs
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dr0832 said:
Ronnie is the man right now. There is nobody that can hang with him with the judging of the past few Mr. O's. I hope that this year he loses because of his gut. Maybe that will get his and the other monsters attention. Ronnie is freakishly huge all over not just the gut. If he would concentrate for a full year on gettting his mid-section in check then watch out. He will be unstoppable. Ronnie wants to win, period. If the judges say no more guts and hold to their guns then he will adapt and will still dominate. Or am I wrong? Can Ronnie's midsection be reversed? Is it too late?
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shadowhunta said:
these the same guys that'll tell you they're on 500mg/test a week and thats all?
karachi183
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Back then most of the older guys just talked about dbol and amino supplements and great dieting. But not to much about injecting. And those did't give a fuck about anything if they thought it was the norm they would have talked about it openly. BTw you never see any pics of those guys with all the sides that are noticed today when u see a guy that's juiced to the gills ie: huge jaw - zits - scar tissue buildup and that red face from being pumped all the time looking like your gonna explode at any minute. they just looked great
strohs
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Unfortunately our world has evolved into a big freak show. Take for example Greg Valentino - his arms are nasty and pumped to the gills with synthol. His popularity (or lack thereof) stems from being a freak. Look at some of these porn star females with EE 60 tits. They could be beautiful and once were. Money has warped them into thinking that if I have the biggest (fill in the blank) then I will be noticed and remembered for something. Complete lack of self respect. I hate to see bodybuilding heading down this dead end road.
shadowhunta
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UA_Iron said:these the same guys that'll tell you they're on 500mg/test a week and thats all?
you are missing the point entirely.
let me put it plain and simple for you- it is the all out pursuit of mass that leads to the distention of the midsection i.e. food/calorie consumption, heavy drug use, and heavy lifting. all of these result in the thickening of the abdominal wall and expansion of the stomach. the role of genetics can also not be overlooked.
never once did i say that these guys weren't using hgh (or anything and everything else for that matter) in large quantities.
BUT YOU CANNOT BLAME THE DISTENTION ON HGH ALONE.
look at dexter jackson. are you telling me he doesn't use loads of hgh?
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riverrock
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strohs said:
Well, remember one thing........ the reason that today's professional BB looks the way he does is because the public approves of it- Definitely. A long as we demand our BB to come in bigger, nastier, and even more ribbed at each Olympia then nothing will change and they'll look for even more outrageous ways to get bigger.
As for Greg...well nobody take him seriously, but he is a good laugh in small doses (of synthol lol!!!!!)
Gumaro
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i've always wondered about something. a few years ago, BBers with guts would be said to have roid belly or something similar. if i remember correctly, the protruding belly was said to be caused by the bloating AAS causes. was this later found out to be the GH causing it or is it that GH causes a bigger swelling?
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BIC said:
Dam straight get rid of the freak show!! i cant believe at last years Mr O he beat Dexter at a abs and thigh posedown! that was total crap. these judges are ruining the sport man! its like it was all fixed for Ronnie to win. i would much rather look like Dexter than Ronnie anyday!!
StelZ23
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Borg4902 said:
u mean he is the one craziest enough to take the most gear! how can u say he is hardest working, they all live in the gym man and they all work their asses off, its what they do as a profession, what makes u think ronnie works any harder than the next bodybuilder.
bicepts101
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Gumaro said:
if im not mistaken, testosterone raises igf1 levels. igf receptors, as stated before, are mainly located in the gut area
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Themachine01 said:
I'm not sure either, but that is before synthetic GH. Companies got GH from cadaver's at that time. There was a chance you could get lukemia from it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
bicepts101
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