what amount needed?

[Sim882]

I think this is true when people first lift also - it happened to me that I think I gained 1 in 8 weeks and lost 6-7kg of fat.

But I noticed that once fat went below 10%bf, I had to really increase my calories to gain muscle.

Correct me if Im wrong but what I think what you really were getting at was "can I put on muscle and lose fat at the same time?"

Personal opinion: yes you can, at least some people can. When I first started lifting hard I put on a lot of muscle and lost a ton of bodyfat, just by eating a lot of clean calories, 7X a day, lifting hard, taking good supplements (read: not gear), and doing a lot of cardio (mostly in the form of sports).

 

[mad dipz]

Correct me if Im wrong but what I think what you really were getting at was "can I put on muscle and lose fat at the same time?"

Personal opinion: yes you can, at least some people can. When I first started lifting hard I put on a lot of muscle and lost a ton of bodyfat, just by eating a lot of clean calories, 7X a day, lifting hard, taking good supplements (read: not gear), and doing a lot of cardio (mostly in the form of sports).

nah I wasn't getting at anything except wanting the answer to my question above. I figured it was around 1000 or so, but I guess it's higher.