Vet Grade Injectable Vitamins- Are they SAFE ?

[Spidey]

Re: Re: Re: Vet Grade Injectable Vitamins- Are they SAFE ?

Spidey, what type of half life would you expect for this stuff. If it is esterized, does this mean it is a timed release product?

Thanks bro for helping with my original question

I think I may have taken your original question to literally. Let me clarify: Yes, there are esters in that mix but the vitamins themselves are not esterified. So no, it isn't a time release kind of deal. The esters in this mix are probably just part of the excipient used to solublize the active ingredients (the vitamins). The half life of these "inert ingredient" esters is not important and has no impact on the release of the vitamins.

At the risk of sounding like Chicken Little, what you are proposing is very dangerous. One good overdose of vitamin A can have dire consequences, even death. Please consult a physician before you do this. Don't just take medical advice from an online forum from people whom you don't even really know.

 

[gunner44]

Man, some people can't take a joke. And I still don't see how I was being patronizing in my first post.

It's amazing - I bring up what believe is some helpful info and I get my balls busted. Read my original post again.

Nelson, maybe it is just me, but I dont always get your "DRY" sense of humor.

Maybe its cuz you are the guy with the "Look at my Book,Iam an Expert" quote you have there at the end of all your posts.

I just cant tell anymore when you are fucking around, or talking DOWN to (i.e. Patronizing) someone.

 

[gunner44]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vet Grade Injectable Vitamins- Are they SAFE ?

I think I may have taken your original question to literally. Let me clarify: Yes, there are esters in that mix but the vitamins themselves are not esterified. So no, it isn't a time release kind of deal. The esters in this mix are probably just part of the excipient used to solublize the active ingredients (the vitamins). The half life of these "inert ingredient" esters is not important and has no impact on the release of the vitamins.

At the risk of sounding like Chicken Little, what you are proposing is very dangerous. One good overdose of vitamin A can have dire consequences, even death. Please consult a physician before you do this. Don't just take medical advice from an online forum from people whom you don't even really know.

Call me crazy, but I dont think that a short regieme of mega dosing vitamins would be fatal.

From what I have read, Vitamin A can have negative effects in high doses, but I am infering that this takes some considerably amount of time.

If mega doses like 600,000 IU were in fact deadly, dont you think that a lot of the patients from those 1950's studies would have died?

Shit 600,000 IU all at once is a HUGE dose. I dont think the doctors back then would hhave administered a dose that high if it were in fact deadly.

This is where I still need some help. I know that Vitamin A can be dangerous , but what is the required exposure time ? I cant seem to find any info on htis at all.

I really to think that these obscure tests done in the 1950's in themselves, de bunk the idea that vitamin A is deadly, even at high dosages.

Thanks for the info on the ester thing bro. I do appreciate it. I am getting closer to sticking this pin in my ass real soon, then we will all know if anything has changed since the 1950's LOL

 

[Spidey]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vet Grade Injectable Vitamins- Are they SAFE ?

Call me crazy, but I dont think that a short regieme of mega dosing vitamins would be fatal.

From what I have read, Vitamin A can have negative effects in high doses, but I am infering that this takes some considerably amount of time.

Again, the best person to ask would be a DOCTOR.

If mega doses like 600,000 IU were in fact deadly, dont you think that a lot of the patients from those 1950's studies would have died?

Shit 600,000 IU all at once is a HUGE dose. I dont think the doctors back then would hhave administered a dose that high if it were in fact deadly.

Maybe, maybe not. Medical ethics were a lot different then. There were many instances of medical professionals putting people's lives at risk in the name of scientific research.

I really to think that these obscure tests done in the 1950's in themselves, de bunk the idea that vitamin A is deadly, even at high dosages.

Were the patients in that study followed up on after any length of time? How do you know they didn't die?

I realize you are going to do what you are going to do. All I am saying is it might be a good idea to ask someone in a position to know the answers to your questions of safety.

Good luck.

 

[halfaclue]

satch

I'm a poor ass 26 year old....I don't buy new clothes unless I get to big for the ones I have....I pay my bills and whats left I pay for supplemnets and protein via meat and seafood and that is my life. I hear what your saying but the way i look at is everytime you stick a pin your body it could be the last act you do...risks are associated with anything...is a vet grad going to be sub-par to humane grad....maybe...but here in the US mad cow disease slips through because beef lobbyists are more important then our children who eat at Burger King. Mexican grad gear is no where the quality of some eropean gear and I take the chance that some cracked out mexican who polished off a case of coronas just did the mixing. Maybe it is my niavete' but I do not feel any more at risk injecting vet B-12 or Mex Suspension or Eruo Sustonon.....

On a side note, last week I have been getting crappy sleep because I am taking DNP...woke thursday late for work and had to do my morning stick...filled the syringe, changed needles, stuck it in my back side and before I pushed in the pin I looked back to aspirate and I never cleared the air....seconds away from possible killing myself. Moral of the story...don't stick yourself when you have a sleep.

 

[jubei]

Jesus Christ listen to spidey and speak to a doctor.

 

[gunner44]

Jesus Christ listen to spidey and speak to a doctor.

Bro, I have spoke with my doc, and according to him, there is no treatment for Tinnitus.

I say bullshit to that!!

Come on people, this is a steroid site for christ sake?

Where are your BALLS ?


I have been researching and I have found med studies that said "less than 250,00IU for several months, is rarely toxic"

Thats good enough for me folks.

Nelson, If I find a cure for artheritis, Ill be sure NOT to tell you !


(That was my version of dry humor. DId i sound like a dick?)

 

[granby140]

too much vit A can be really hazardous so watch how much you take.

 

[AustinTX]

Injectable vitamin A is given by or under the supervision of a health care professional.

Vitamin A is stored in the body; therefore, when you take more than the body needs, it will build up in the body. This may lead to poisoning and even death. Problems are more likely to occur in:
· Adults taking 7500 RE (25,000 Units) a day for 8 months in a row, or 450,000 RE (1,500,000 Units) all at once

Note: Acute toxicity has been reported at a single dose of 450,000 RE (1,500,000 Units). Chronic toxicity has been reported at doses of 7500 RE (25,000 Units) a day for eight months. However, individuals with compromised liver function may develop toxicity at lower doses.

VITAMIN A INJECTION

Usual adult and adolescent dose
Deficiency (prophylaxis or treatment)
Intravenous infusion, as part of total parenteral nutrition solutions, the specific amount determined by individual patient need.

Intramuscular, 15,000 to 30,000 RE (50,000 to 100,000 Units) a day for three days, followed by 15,000 RE (50,000 Units) a day for two weeks.


Remember that the total amount of vitamin A you get every day includes what you get from foods that you eat and what you take as a supplement.


Symptoms of a vitamin A overdose include tiredness, discomfort, lethargy, upset stomach, decreased appetite, vomiting, slow or decreased growth, joint soreness, irritability, headache, drying and cracking of the lips and skin, hair loss, and yellowing of the skin.

• Stop taking vitamin A and seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).
• Other, less serious side effects may occur with large doses or prolonged use of vitamin A. Notify your doctor if you experience
· tiredness;
· nausea, vomiting, or decreased appetite;
· irritability;
· headache;
· dryness or cracking of the lips or skin; or
· hair loss.

Some conditions may increase your need for vitamin A. These include:
· Diarrhea
· Eye diseases
· Intestine diseases
· Infections (continuing or chronic)
· Measles
· Pancreas disease
· Stomach removal
· Stress (continuing)

Other medical problems:
The presence of other medical problems may affect the use of vitamin A. Make sure you tell your health care professional if you have any other medical problems, especially:
· Alcohol abuse (or history of)
· Liver disease -- Vitamin A use may make liver problems worse
· Kidney disease -- May cause high blood levels of vitamin A, which may increase the chance of side effects

Vitamin A has not been proven effective for treatment of renal calculi, hyperthyroidism, anemia, degenerative conditions of the nervous system, sunburn, lung diseases, deafness, osteoarthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, or psoriasis.

 

[kayaker]

Vitamin A

Too much of many vitamins will give you negative effects, esp the fat soluble ones (A,D,E,K). Vit A specifically will cause rashes and possibly death. Check history books on artic explorers. Many died mysteriously. Turns out it was due to eating polar bear liver which happens to store a good ten years worth of Vit A