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VERY LOW HDL from WINNY...vets please input
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Krill oil, NIACIN, E.V. Olive oil. Every day will raise your HDL. They ARE HDL!
splperformance said:
HAve him stick to what his doctor has him doing. Extended release niacin given at 1000 mg for 4 weeks, 1500 mg for 4 weeks, and 2000 mg for 8 weeks (16 weeks total), was shown to increase HDL 26%.
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/160/8/1177
Fish oils are great, but it's the EPA and DHA that are the key ingredients to their benefits. Sometimes in dietary supplement fish oils, you may have 1000mg of fish oil (or krill oil) but only 150 mg EPA and 90mg DHA.
Prescription fish oil pills are 1000mg oil, but 465mg EPA and 375mg DHA. They go through multi-step refinement and purification processes and are FDA approved. Fish oil caps are usually only prescribed for very high triglycerides though, not for increasing HDL or lowering LDL (or for CHD patients for cardioprotection).
The problem is, for lowering TG, 4+ grams EPA/DHA are needed, but for cardioprotection, about 1 gram EPA/DHA will do. So...if your krill or fish oil pills only give you 150mg EPA / 90mg DHA...that's a LOT of pills to swallow, and a LOT of money to spend. Plus, you are not getting an FDA controlled product, so you DO NOT KNOW what has been done to filter out environmental toxins, such as mercury and PCBs (from fish oils). No guarantees on what you're getting in your supplement product. Hate to have to take 10 pills of 1000mg of oil (10,000mg of fish oil)...or worse yet, 30 pills (30,000mg of questionable oil) and not be sure what was done to filter out toxins.
Back to the topic at hand...for your friend, have him stick with the niacin prescribed from his doctor, and stay off the winny. He can talk to his doctor about taking in extra fish oils, etc. for cardioprotection...his doctor will probably be cool with it, but may not have any recommendations.
Also, there are some good fish oil supps out there with high amounts of EPA/DHA in a reasonable dose. I buy mine in liquid form in the refrigerated section of a health food store. It has 900mg EPA and 600mg DHA in one tblsp.
TMI, I know. Sorry.
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needtogetaas
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I was just telling a member in pm's about the fish oils. Thats what my doc put my on.ceo said:HAve him stick to what his doctor has him doing. Extended release niacin given at 1000 mg for 4 weeks, 1500 mg for 4 weeks, and 2000 mg for 8 weeks (16 weeks total), was shown to increase HDL 26%.
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/160/8/1177
Fish oils are great, but it's the EPA and DHA that are the key ingredients to their benefits. Sometimes in dietary supplement fish oils, you may have 1000mg of fish oil (or krill oil) but only 150 mg EPA and 90mg DHA.
Prescription fish oil pills are 1000mg oil, but 465mg EPA and 375mg DHA. They go through multi-step refinement and purification processes and are FDA approved. Fish oil caps are usually only prescribed for very high triglycerides though, not for increasing HDL or lowering LDL (or for CHD patients for cardioprotection).
The problem is, for lowering TG, 4+ grams EPA/DHA are needed, but for cardioprotection, about 1 gram EPA/DHA will do. So...if your krill or fish oil pissl only give you 150mg EPA / 90mg DHA...that's a LOT of pills to swallow, and a LOT of money to spend. Plus, you are not getting an FDA controlled product, so you DO NOT KNOW what has been done to filter out environmental toxins, such as mercury and PCBs (from fish oils). No guarantees on what you're getting in your supplement product. Hate to have to take 10 pills of 1000mg of oil (10,000mg of fish oil)...or worse yet, 30 pills (30,000mg of questionable oil) and not be sure what was done to filter out toxins.
Back to the topic at hand...for your friend, have him stick with the niacin prescribed from his doctor, and stay off the winny. He can talk to his doctor about taking in extra fish oils, etc. for cardioprotection...his doctor will probably be cool with it, but may not have any recommendations.
Also, there are some good fish oil supps out there with high amounts of EPA/DHA in a reasonable dose. I buy mine in liquid form in the refrigerated section of a health food store. It has 900mg EPA and 600mg DHA in one tblsp.
TMI, I know. Sorry.
oils would help, but you're fighting an uphill battle. A lot will also depend on genetics. Some people will respond worse, some better (to the winny wreaking havoc on chol.).
I Think short term use of winny, with chol levels checked before/during/and 8-16 weeks after would be a good way to determine how you react. If it kills your lipids, then find another compound. If it isn't so bad, try mega-dosing EPA/DHA while on and getting levels checked during cycle. If things are still not good, consider staying off winny altogether.
I Think short term use of winny, with chol levels checked before/during/and 8-16 weeks after would be a good way to determine how you react. If it kills your lipids, then find another compound. If it isn't so bad, try mega-dosing EPA/DHA while on and getting levels checked during cycle. If things are still not good, consider staying off winny altogether.
Mavafanculo
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ryno9000 said:
a high egg diet ????
Mavafanculo
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these are some supp's that will help protect you while you are hdl-impaired and will also help you more quickly normalize your lipid numbers once you come off.
Some have had success keeping HDL up and LDL down while on with these, it might be dose dependent on the offending compound. When I went above 50mg Anavar - oxandrolone - , nothing prevented my HDL from temporarily disappearing.
But some of the supp's below (especially the garlic, grape seed extract, and fish oil) provide a substitute HDL function while you are impaired - preventing/reducing new plaque formation and flushing ldl. The garlic studies are the oldest and haven't been negatively critiqued in any serious way thus far.
1) policosanol 20mg evening (+hdl, -ldl, blood thinner also)
2) garlic - cardiac formula dose of garlique or garlicin etc (acts as a substitute/super hdl, clearing ldl and reducing new plaque formation - also a blood thinner)
3) Niacin or inositol hexanicotinate (noflush niacin) - (one of the few substances to raise hdl - the niacin is preferred, but flushing and liver sides)
4) red yeast extract - a natural form of lovastatin, the same ingredient found in prescription stain drugs - (- ldl)
5) psyllium seed husk products/ hi fiber diet (-ldl )
6) diet high in unsaturated fats ("good fats" from vegetbles) mostly monostaurated fats which will raise hdl (olive oil, peanut oils, walnuts etc)
7) cardio, 30 minutes 3x weekly - even brisk walk - (increases hdl)
8) obviously a diet low in "bad fats" (saturated fats- meat and diary, and trans fats)
9) Fish Oil supplements or fish (better balanced than omega-3 pills) reduce risk of CV event and plaque formation .
10) Grape Seed Extract (-ldl, maybe +hdl, more important prevent oxidation of ldl and plaque formation) - similar protection as garlic during hdl-impaired periods such as during cycle and proximate post-cycle
Some have had success keeping HDL up and LDL down while on with these, it might be dose dependent on the offending compound. When I went above 50mg Anavar - oxandrolone - , nothing prevented my HDL from temporarily disappearing.
But some of the supp's below (especially the garlic, grape seed extract, and fish oil) provide a substitute HDL function while you are impaired - preventing/reducing new plaque formation and flushing ldl. The garlic studies are the oldest and haven't been negatively critiqued in any serious way thus far.
1) policosanol 20mg evening (+hdl, -ldl, blood thinner also)
2) garlic - cardiac formula dose of garlique or garlicin etc (acts as a substitute/super hdl, clearing ldl and reducing new plaque formation - also a blood thinner)
3) Niacin or inositol hexanicotinate (noflush niacin) - (one of the few substances to raise hdl - the niacin is preferred, but flushing and liver sides)
4) red yeast extract - a natural form of lovastatin, the same ingredient found in prescription stain drugs - (- ldl)
5) psyllium seed husk products/ hi fiber diet (-ldl )
6) diet high in unsaturated fats ("good fats" from vegetbles) mostly monostaurated fats which will raise hdl (olive oil, peanut oils, walnuts etc)
7) cardio, 30 minutes 3x weekly - even brisk walk - (increases hdl)
8) obviously a diet low in "bad fats" (saturated fats- meat and diary, and trans fats)
9) Fish Oil supplements or fish (better balanced than omega-3 pills) reduce risk of CV event and plaque formation .
10) Grape Seed Extract (-ldl, maybe +hdl, more important prevent oxidation of ldl and plaque formation) - similar protection as garlic during hdl-impaired periods such as during cycle and proximate post-cycle
needtogetaas
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Around th net. There has been this faze catching on about the cholesterol in egg yolks being super good for you.Mavafanculo said:
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