Dballer-
Debating with you is like talking to a rock.
There are some people who believe SOOO strongly in somthing that no matter how destructive and horrible it may be, they will defend it.
You have made up your mind that the Israelis, (the Jews), are evil for what they have done IN RESPONSE to the palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, Iraquis, etc, etc, etc... and you will grab onto and cling to any piece of data which might support that position, no matter how tenuously. Simultaneously, you IGNORE hundreds of other facts that directly and irrefutably contradict and disprove your theorems/beliefs.
The Israelis were not responsible for 9/11. It was ARABS. Indisputable evidence has linked Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and a multitude of other ARAB countries to these attacks. The theory that Israel is the cause is like saying a woman wearing stiletto heels and a leather mini-skirt caused herself to be raped. The "horrible" acts you describe (don't forget the hundreds of americans killed in embassy bombings, boat bombings, etc...) were perpetrated by a specific group of ARABS; NOT BY ISRAEL.
I don't know that you were called an anti-semite for "reporting" the breaking news that Israel killed 34 American seamen
35 YEARS AGO, but I find it amusing that this 35-year-old fact has been the best you can come up with to date to "justify" why we shouldn't support Israel and why they are evil. "Defending these actions?" Aside from the FACT that this occured
35 YEARS AGO, no one is defending nor even attempting to justify this action, it was a "horrible" act perpetrated by a desperate govenment in very poor judgement in a time long ago under VASTLY different political situations. Oh yes, don't forget that the USS Liberty was SPYING on Israel at the time and it was information they discovered that the Israelis were attempting to destroy. (Conveniently left that out, eh?). Lastly, they formally apologized, took responsibility, and made reparations- not much different than Ford and their Crown Vics, a calculated gamble that didn't pay. Like I said, your entire belief system is anchored by this tiny little ancient thread.
News flash Tom- we have also killed many of our allies as they have us in many reported "accidents" and the fact is, we'll never be allowed to know the full truth regarding any of those situatuions. On this we agree.
Israel selling "our" nuclear secrets to China? Puhlease... France had already sold reactors along with the technology to make enriched uranium (plutonium) to anyone who could scrape together the 50 cents to buy a croissant. You want an enemy? Look at France. We get nothing from them. They block us and criticize us and refuse our military use of their airspace at every opportunity. At least the river of espionage and military information flows both ways with Israel.
"Crimes against the US?" Spare me. Once again you focus on tiny "facts" yet overlook the blatant crimes committed by the rest of the world, especially the Arab world.
The world is not black and white. Israel is a sovereign nation and needs to look out for number 1. Just because they receive money from the US doesn't mean that they're gonna be our pet puppy. All the money in the world ain't gonna help them if they aren't looking out for their self-interests first. And since the US is likely to put pressure on them when certain issues come up, don't they have an interest to be informed ahead of time (e.g. espionage)? And no, the Israeli Government doesn't sell these "secrets," that would be completely AGAINST their self interests...Res Ipso Loquitor.
Look at it this way: would you rather have a friend that tells you the truth or one that just tells you what you want to hear? Prime example (albeit 10 years old)- the destruction of the Iraqui reactor (built by the French) at Al Quatar. Like it or not, the Israelis often do OUR "dirty work" and we need plausible deniability. Also, their regional intelligence (although also flawed) is INFINITELY better than ours, so who are we, with our limited information, to tell them what is right and wrong for their region of the world?
Accept that you are an anti-semite because:
1) you don't even realize it. e.g. the "some of my best friends are black" theory. Racists seldom are proud to be so (except our pal MP5)
2) you focus on old, insignificant "facts" to prove your theorems but blatantly overlook and refuse to accept ANY facts which might contradict your beliefs. (Do you even believe the holocaust happened?) For examples, look at people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan
3) you believe that an ethnic group (the Jews) all behave in the same way and believe the same things (ethnic stereotyping). Are you even aware that there are 3 major political parties in Israel and that their Knesset (senate) operates in such a way that the minority party actually often has more power than either of the majority parties?
As for you MP5, why don't you just put that swastika back in your avatar you ridiculously bloated redneck?
I know of no "facts" that include the words
"gigantic, swollen parasite." These are inflammatory and invective words used to express
SUBJECTIVE opinions, not facts. Your entire quotation is so flawed on so many levels that it isn't even worth a comment other than to ask the obvious question: "what white supremacist handbook did you pull it out of?"
And once again, for the children in the back of the bus, the CAUSE of the 9/11 attacks was
9 ARABS and their psycho leaders. Nothing else. Just as you can't explain the criminally insane logic of The Beltway Sniper, Son of Sam, William Hinkley, John Wayne Gasey, Jack The Ripper, and a dozen more, you can't reduce the killing of almost 3000 people to a single, logical cause.
I also note for the record the absence of 2Thick, an absolutely blinded liberal, but one who nevertheless apparently still has the capacity for reason and logical thought and can (sometimes) still debate intelligently and examine facts on both sides of an issue. Either the facts of this issue have posed a very difficult connundrum for him or he has decided to stay clear of a debate supported on his side only by two racists.
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