Unleashed for Women???

[burnthiscorpse]

My wifes total Test is 32 in a range of 8-60 ng/dl. Fine.

Her Free T is 0.5 in a range of 0.3-1.9 ng/dl.

I would call that almost non existant??

Unleashed does what its advertised to do. So I was wondering if there was any issues in her taking it.

I was also wondering if her low free T could be contributing to her having a difficult time losing bf%. She does 5-10 miles fast walking (outside, not on a treadmill and with alot of hills) at least 5 days a week. Eats clean and 5 small meals ED. Low carbs ect... if anything she may be not eating quite enough. Which is its own issue but she should be dropping weight alot faster than she is.

 

[psizzle_8]

I replied to your thread in the BB section. I've taken it before and my sex drive went through the roof. So that's a side lol

As far as contributing to her weight loss, it could be a factor. I found this for you (a very easy google search that took all of 2 seconds btw)..

Testosterone in Women
^^^ there ya go

 

[dmk777]

Great post Sizz!!

 

[Rebecca D]

I ran epi for 5 weeks and used unleashed for 5 weeks. Did not do a blood test so I don't know if my test levels stayed high, but it did keep my sex drive higher than normal.

RD

 

[figurechamp]

I'm no expert and am merely basing this off of stuff I've been told by some sources outside this board: could her estrogen levels, actually, be what's contributing to her inability to lose the body fat? For example, I was told that for optimal fat loss, I should get off the pill-- something about estrogen blah blah blah. I didn't though coz I'm afraid of getting pregnant and am not a fan of condoms. Ok. Was that tmi??? Sorry!!! Anyway...just a thought to toss around.

 

[psizzle_8]

I'm no expert and am merely basing this off of stuff I've been told by some sources outside this board: could her estrogen levels, actually, be what's contributing to her inability to lose the body fat? For example, I was told that for optimal fat loss, I should get off the pill-- something about estrogen blah blah blah. I didn't though coz I'm afraid of getting pregnant and am not a fan of condoms. Ok. Was that tmi??? Sorry!!! Anyway...just a thought to toss around.

You crack me up. For future reference, don't be afraid to share experiences. You never know, they could be similar to someone else.

As far as what you said about the estrogen, yes, it's possible. Read the link I gave him a few posts above to learn more about how T can effect a woman's body to lose weight.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I'm no expert and am merely basing this off of stuff I've been told by some sources outside this board: could her estrogen levels, actually, be what's contributing to her inability to lose the body fat? For example, I was told that for optimal fat loss, I should get off the pill-- something about estrogen blah blah blah. I didn't though coz I'm afraid of getting pregnant and am not a fan of condoms. Ok. Was that tmi??? Sorry!!! Anyway...just a thought to toss around.

Nope, all good. (she has her tubes tied)
Also I have her last 2 blood work right here in front of me. Everything is good except her free T. She is likely having her thyroid out in the next month too. Its enlarged and has been and shes on an assload of T-4 but no shrinkage. But her blood levels say she be dropping weight like crazy. Obviously thats contributing too. Probably alot of it if not all of it.
She started GHRP-2 and felt like a million bucks within 48hrs(likely at 42 she has no GH output) but I had her stop until the thyroid issue is resolved. Dont need any extra GH aggravating that situation....if it even would??

Thank you ladies for the help. Thanks for the link Psizzle. Great read. I will pass it on.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Also I was curious as to why I dont see alot of women running very small test doses for cycles (i assume 25-75 mg wk?) as opposed to small var or primo doses?

Or is any reasonable test dose just right straight to manly sides??

 

[TheSVPdeal]

My wifes total Test is 32 in a range of 8-60 ng/dl. Fine.

Her Free T is 0.5 in a range of 0.3-1.9 ng/dl.

I would call that almost non existant??

Unleashed does what its advertised to do. So I was wondering if there was any issues in her taking it.

I was also wondering if her low free T could be contributing to her having a difficult time losing bf%. She does 5-10 miles fast walking (outside, not on a treadmill and with alot of hills) at least 5 days a week. Eats clean and 5 small meals ED. Low carbs ect... if anything she may be not eating quite enough. Which is its own issue but she should be dropping weight alot faster than she is.

Hey Burn,

What about trying a little forma? 3 pumps twice a day. That would lower her estrogen levels. It might help with BF.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Hey Burn,

What about trying a little forma? 3 pumps twice a day. That would lower her estrogen levels. It might help with BF.

This would probably have additional effects on women over men....but what about some aromasin?

Dont women need more estro to be more "normal" wouldnt lowering it be counter productive?

I'm guessing its probably more of a fine line/balancing act with women hormone wise as far as estro and test?

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Purely for discussion purposes but isn't aromasin suicidal? It wacks out like 85-90%.

I think even with girls, extra estrogen is caca.

I think a little forma would do the trick. LADIES, what do you think?

Would love to figure this out with you, Burn.

 

[shirlene29]

I actually had my progesterone raised in order to lose weight...and my estrogen was through the floor but adding est has too many potentially bad sides
also...my test was high...above range..and that screws me by giving me a more traditional bf composition of a man (love handles/belly fat)

what wound up being key for me was a progesterone cream (prescribed but legit stuff can be over the counter) and getting my insulin levels in check...I had to go NO carb to reverse that
and still can't go above 50 grams without stalling



weight training does far far more for me than cardio...for what its worth

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I actually had my progesterone raised in order to lose weight...and my estrogen was through the floor but adding est has too many potentially bad sides
also...my test was high...above range..and that screws me by giving me a more traditional bf composition of a man (love handles/belly fat)

what wound up being key for me was a progesterone cream (prescribed but legit stuff can be over the counter) and getting my insulin levels in check...I had to go NO carb to reverse that
and still can't go above 50 grams without stalling



weight training does far far more for me than cardio...for what its worth

So you're saying to raise progesterone and lower estrogen? Aromasin and forma would certainly squash some estrogen.

 

[shirlene29]

yeah maybe...one thing I do know is it can be complicated for women because of cyclic hormones
I had to go for repeated blood draws as well as saliva testing (controversial) and a 24 hr urine collection (gross!)

if you looked at my hormonal profile at face value I should be a fat trimming muscle building machine of my gender...and while I build muscle easily the fat burning not so much

I think extra est in women sucks too..the progesterone to get me to normal levels on the other hand seemed to be really key ...and eliminated pretty much all pms too!q

 

[TheSVPdeal]

How does a woman increase progesterone?

 

[shirlene29]

transdermal usp progesterone is available sans script and is perfectly legal

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Wow. Now we're getting somewhere.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Lots of interesting info people!

i think the first thing is I'm going to hold off anything except the unleashed until she gets her thyroid taken out. At that point she can also play with her T4 dose to drop some BF% because she knows she can tolerate a huge dose of T4 so adding an extra 25-50 mcg to her replacement dose would be nothing. But thats down the road.

I cant wait to get her on track because to look at her pysically (ill post pics for you ladies when she gets the bf% down post thyroid) she has enormous muscle structure and symetry. Her quads are huge and muscular, shoulders are very developed, bi's and tri's are one of her best features. Back is very wide and developed. The only things that really need to be addressed are her hams and pecs(<very weak pecs).

 

[shirlene29]

hey burn...see if her dr will give her a slow release t3 too...she'll feel much better with the addition

I have a compounded synthetic t4/t3 and a natural dessicated thyroid and they feel about the same to me whereas straight t4/synthroid makes me feel like shit

also if theres anyway she can avoid having the thyroid out she should explore it...I managed to just go with a lobe-ectomy and my dose is very small for it because I still make some natural thyroid horome

 

[burnthiscorpse]

hey burn...see if her dr will give her a slow release t3 too...she'll feel much better with the addition

I have a compounded synthetic t4/t3 and a natural dessicated thyroid and they feel about the same to me whereas straight t4/synthroid makes me feel like shit

also if theres anyway she can avoid having the thyroid out she should explore it...I managed to just go with a lobe-ectomy and my dose is very small for it because I still make some natural thyroid horome

The problem is its enlarged and has been for a long time. Shes been on 225mcg levothyroxine(sp?) ED. last week it started actually hurting. She had an ultrasound yesterday and there was no significant change from 2 years ago. Dr. said it might be spasms?? But WTF? Today she got some arm numbness which she hasnt had since she was wicked hypo. So in the last week something has started happening.
Shes going to an ENT also asap.

 

[shirlene29]

thats too bad....sounds almost as if not a high enough dose..course I could be projecting because I start to lean towards goiter if my dose is too low

.I hope you guys get to the bottom of it

goiter is no good

 

[burnthiscorpse]

thats too bad....sounds almost as if not a high enough dose..course I could be projecting because I start to lean towards goiter if my dose is too low

.I hope you guys get to the bottom of it

goiter is no good

There are no nodules or anything. The last two blood tests had no goddamn Free T3 or anything else on them. Just TSH. Which is bullshit. How can you look at the whole picture when your not doing TSH, T3, T4, Free T3 and T4 and....pituitary.... I was just reading that if your T3 and T4 AND TSH are all low then it could be a completely different problem all together secondary hypothyroidism ie: Pituitary hypothyroidism.
We have a close friend who is a RN in the ER and shes going after work today and hes going to run the other bloods that werent on her blood work.
Also...to add to things....we went out last night to get 10 cases of ANSI protein RTD's and mid trip she gets all wierd. Like disoriented, out of it...drugged feeling. Lasted about 45 min....never happened before. Cool....

 

[shirlene29]

that is weird...I get drugged feeling and deaf when my levels plummet
and the front of my throat gets tight

definitely get the other bloods run if you can before they just jump to remove it...its something you can't undo

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Just to elaborate on this "incident" in my above post. She went and got her TSH and T3 checked the next day at the ER (its all they woould check) and the T3 was on but the TSH was <.01 ...it actually wouldnt even register!!! obviously she had gone into some sort of hyper state for whatever reason. Since that day her neck hasnt bothered her as much....??? This is some wierd shit.

 

[shirlene29]

the problem with the tsh test is its really more of a pituitary test...

and something not often mentioned in thyroid testing or done is...it should be a first thing in the morning fasted test to give the most accurate results

 

[burnthiscorpse]

the problem with the tsh test is its really more of a pituitary test...

Right.... I had thought and have been wondering if maybe she isnt having secondary hypothyroidism(pituitary thyroidism).
She probably has almost no pituitary function given her age so its no wonder that within 48hrs on GHRP-2 she felt amazing.

I took her off it obviously as I said because I dont want to create more symptoms or mask current issues possibly. I would think that "normal" non exogenus doses of HGH (from ghrp) wouldnt interfear though??

 

[shirlene29]

I honestly don't know...I'd have to research it more

 

[burnthiscorpse]

One of the two main things to consider that i didnt mention earlier.....

its been slightly enlarged since my son was born(11 yrs ago).
With it enlarged and maybe slightly hypo for extended periods it can cause the build up of white blood cells, dead tissue ect ect.... PLUS.... we both forgot until yesterday...18 mos ago we attempted IVF. This was the final nail in her thyroid coffin. Just before the IVF she had done a so so diet and a decent cardio schedule and had easily lost 25 lb. Fit into like size 3 i believe, flat stomach, tiny ass ect ect...
ALSO....we are having her doc get the bloods from last july when the endo took her off everything and did TSH, T3, T4, Free T3 + T4 ect ect....
When she was put on a high dose of T4 her TSH was 1.9-2.3.
So the pituitary was calling for T4 but none was being made. So this kills my secondary thyroidism theory because of all this crap I just remembered, (last years levels, the IVF, ect ect..)
So basically her thyroid is just broken and we need to see the ENT and a new endo to see if we have some other options before considering maybe removal. I dunno if there is a way to tell if the dead tissue is localized and maybe just that can come out ect ect...

I also researched HGH and Hypothyroidism and HGH is actually a treatment in alot of cases (if your doc isnt in the stone age).
She started on the GHRP-2 again since we both went duh...her pituitary works right...especially since if it wasnt she would have a host of other issues happening. Obviously GHRP stimulates the pituitary not suppresses it like exogenus HGH would so this is a good thing, plus shes getting natural spikes not an overage from exogenus ect...

Im sitting here thinking the TSH is screwed because of lacking pituitary output but its just not making any because its seeing the overage of meds and thinking it doesnt need to make TSH.....
Jesus....thyroid is a big vicious complicated circle