Sago said:
Hey why are you makin turns? I hear you talkin, but all I see is a bunch of turning and snapping. Doesn't look good man, looks like you got some quit in you. Doesn't mean that it is true... but you sure are throwin out a lot of bad signs.
Yeah you can break 2X4's with your powerfull round house kicks. You know guys with more speed and punching power than Mike Tyson. You resort to insulting me.... and I am the dorito munching couch potato? You know absolutely jack shit about me, except that you disagree with me. Hell I read a lot of your replies on elite, I would have figured you would give me better conversation than this. I am pretty dissapointed.
I am no pro fighter, I am not even close to being an amateur, but i've got my dead-game collar Do you? Come back when you are willing to give me some competition, or atleast a civil conversation. . . instead of all this turning and curr snapping.
If I came across like I was insulting you, I apologize. I was critisizing your statements, primarily because I'm tired of people with no fighting experience(not saying you have none, its just the profile) telling me all about results of a hypothetical fight. A lot of people know who I am and I am always forced to engage in these types of arguments "Tyson could beat ANY NHB fighter, because..." or even hypothetical fights against Bruce Lee or Morihei Ueshiba. At the public gym that I lift at, I sometimes wear a Tap Out tank top. I've had 2 different guys(who recognize TO from watching the UFC) come up to me and bring up this very same argument. One guy was a bean pole with a gut and does nothing but bicep curls and flat bench with no weight. The other guy was a fat tub that does the stairmaster for 5 minutes then disappears into the pool area.
The things is, I believe that I put(until my last injury) 100% of myself into training for the most part of 20 years, and am very proud of my accomplishments and stats.....then I see guys around me who are in the ring when I get there, and doing mat work when I leave. I am nothing compared to many of the warriors I have had the privilage to meet and or train with over the years. I know guys that have more power physically and mentally than Tyson could ever dream of, and only a couple of these guys are pros. I know guys just beginning sanctioned fights with more talent and promise than I've ever seen before.
People make Tyson out to be some mystical diety because he has made a name for himself. If NHB was as large(popular) as american boxing, we would see fighters that would keep the public in awe of their abilities. At the same time, the typical perception of Tyson being this ulimate badass will fade away as he is replaced by guys that can not only box at his level, but have years of Muay Thai experience, years of ground fighting experience, etc. NHB/MMA has just been basically underground for so long(now its finally come into the open) that many of these fighters have yet to be seen. Do you have any idea how many guys are training in numerous countries right now, harder than Tyson has ever trained. Tyson is just a man with a skill. To say others not only don't have that skill, but don't even posses the obvious potential to achieve that skill is just foolish.
Above my old dojo we had an area to just chill, with a pool table, TV, chairs, etc. A bunch of us would sit up there sometimes and just create hypothetical matches. Then we would all argue who would be the dominant fighter and why. This was several seasoned fighters discussing what they know, with years of knowledge and experience to back it up. This was a legitamate platform for this discussion. Do you have any idea how hard these guys would laugh if you brought up Tyson's name?
Anyway, any derogatory comments I made were directed at your statements, not you bro, because this argument has become old and redundant to the point of being offensive to me.
Mike Tyson= An excellent ground infantry soldier
NHB fighter= A Delta Force operator
Put the infantry soldier in a CQB situation, a hostage situation or even an urban situation, he's fucked.
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