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TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!
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Lift Chief said:
three or four week cycles would be pretty safe in regard to lipid profile, but you would propbably get some acne although not too much. Hair loss would be more of an issue with a 4 weeker if you are prone to hair loss.
BUT......After about 2.5, maybe 3 weeks the pituitary, and not just the hypothalamus goes to sleep, so recovery of natural test is slower.
There is never a need to switch compounds. The bodybuilder really only needs two compounds to achieve all his goals and they are tren and test...tren/test for mass and simply tren ,with a some amount of test for libido, when cutting.
RG
AlPhASiLvErBaCk said:
yes nandrolone phenylprop(Durabolin) or the stuff from India would work since its half life is about 2 days. The thing is it wouldn't be my first choice since tren is available. You want to use very strong androgens for this limited time period.
A 4 week cycle would be pretty safe as I said above in regard to limiting time with a shitty lipid profile and minimizing hair loss if you are prone to that and ance....BUT.....recovery of natural test would be about the same as with an 8 weeker.
RG
I thought I would just clear some things up here......
#1. We are not doing two weekers for maximum gains we are doing them to be conservative and to minimize potential negative health risks. They also seem to allow for better natural training in the 2-4 weeks "off" periods between cycles.
If you want to be "on" steroids all year round then 2 on 4 off is best.
#2. After about 2.5 to 3 weeks the pituitary shuts down and not just the hypothalamus so recovery of natural test is slower and thus you loose a higher percentage of gains.
#3. Even a couple days of the strong androgens will totally shut down your natural test production bro's. Even one shot of the weak androgen nandrolone will shut you down. As soon as the HPTA sences a high level of androgen in the blood a signal is sent to the testes to STOP PRODUCTION....this doesn't take very long.
Small doses of primo often times do not shut you down even after weeks but then again primo is not for a two weeker because it is an a very slow acting ester(unless you use orals) and is too weak.
#4. All the orals, including d-bol, will start to work almost immediately and you will notice a difference in a few days. The injectables trenbolone acetate and test prop will start to work very quickly too, especially if loading doses are done on day one to get blood hormone levels up in a hurry.
#5. HCG is not needed since two weeks will not result in much if any testes shrinkage....thus another reason why naturaL test comes back so quickly.
If you do 2 on 2 off for several cycles then you will experience some shrinkage so if you want to do that then take 300-500iu's of HCG per day either IM or Sub Q in the belly fat while "on".
#6 Clomid is still needed since the hypothalamus has been inhibited during the two weeks and the clomid will block estrogen at the hypothalamus and help recovery. I take it for the full 4 weeks off simple because it seems to help keep natural test high and there is also a cardiovascular benefit form its use( acts as an estrogen at the liver and makes ateries supple)
Two weeks would probably be enough and you could probably get away with not using it at all although you would probably loose a little size.
#7. You MUST only use fast acting roids and test as the longer acting eters will not allow a true two week cycle. Front loading of injectables is also a must unless you are using test suspension.
#8. Even plain old d-bol 30-50 mg per day in 5 divided doses or anadrol 50 three times per day will give great results for many in but 14 days of use and this limited time "on" 17aa roids will have no permanent liver consequences.
If you are at your natural maximum weight ie(190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9 or 10") then you would be wise to stack another strong androgen or two.
#9. You may wish to use Tylers detox pills and or r-ala while using 17aa roids even for two weeks.
#10. Two weekers are NOT for the highly competitive .
Best of luck and health to you all.
RG
#1. We are not doing two weekers for maximum gains we are doing them to be conservative and to minimize potential negative health risks. They also seem to allow for better natural training in the 2-4 weeks "off" periods between cycles.
If you want to be "on" steroids all year round then 2 on 4 off is best.
#2. After about 2.5 to 3 weeks the pituitary shuts down and not just the hypothalamus so recovery of natural test is slower and thus you loose a higher percentage of gains.
#3. Even a couple days of the strong androgens will totally shut down your natural test production bro's. Even one shot of the weak androgen nandrolone will shut you down. As soon as the HPTA sences a high level of androgen in the blood a signal is sent to the testes to STOP PRODUCTION....this doesn't take very long.
Small doses of primo often times do not shut you down even after weeks but then again primo is not for a two weeker because it is an a very slow acting ester(unless you use orals) and is too weak.
#4. All the orals, including d-bol, will start to work almost immediately and you will notice a difference in a few days. The injectables trenbolone acetate and test prop will start to work very quickly too, especially if loading doses are done on day one to get blood hormone levels up in a hurry.
#5. HCG is not needed since two weeks will not result in much if any testes shrinkage....thus another reason why naturaL test comes back so quickly.
If you do 2 on 2 off for several cycles then you will experience some shrinkage so if you want to do that then take 300-500iu's of HCG per day either IM or Sub Q in the belly fat while "on".
#6 Clomid is still needed since the hypothalamus has been inhibited during the two weeks and the clomid will block estrogen at the hypothalamus and help recovery. I take it for the full 4 weeks off simple because it seems to help keep natural test high and there is also a cardiovascular benefit form its use( acts as an estrogen at the liver and makes ateries supple)
Two weeks would probably be enough and you could probably get away with not using it at all although you would probably loose a little size.
#7. You MUST only use fast acting roids and test as the longer acting eters will not allow a true two week cycle. Front loading of injectables is also a must unless you are using test suspension.
#8. Even plain old d-bol 30-50 mg per day in 5 divided doses or anadrol 50 three times per day will give great results for many in but 14 days of use and this limited time "on" 17aa roids will have no permanent liver consequences.
If you are at your natural maximum weight ie(190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9 or 10") then you would be wise to stack another strong androgen or two.
#9. You may wish to use Tylers detox pills and or r-ala while using 17aa roids even for two weeks.
#10. Two weekers are NOT for the highly competitive .
Best of luck and health to you all.
RG
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Lift Chief
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thanks a lot that cleared everything up.
kyle said:
Okay.....Realgains last year was 5'10" 235 fairly lean pounds...probably about 10% bodyfat. Did a front load of 200mg tren and then 100 per day for 12 days. Also did d-bol 50mg per day for 14 days and test prop 100 mg per day after a 300mg front load. Stopped the prop after day 11. Clomid on day15 through 4 weeks off.
Gain was 7 pounds!
Training partner.....6'1" 245 pretty lean. Did the same as me and gained 6 pounds.
Since we are both well above our natural limit we were not able to gain a great deal or hold onto the gains for more than a few months...BUT....if you are not yet at your natural max weight(ie:5'9 or 10 and a lean 190 ) then you should gain more and keep it all.
Contrary to what some may tell you the steroid user will always shrink down to his natural maximum weight or very slightly more (due to actual muscle cell increases and not just hypertrohy) in time no matter how good you train, eat and sleep. Don't ever think that you can attained permanently to any more than 5-10 above your natural maximum weight from steroid use
Example 3: Personal client. 5'9" 175 pre cycle .....he did tren 150 on day one and then 75 per day and also d-bol 50mg in five divided doses for 14 days. He Kept 10 pounds bumping himself up close to his natural max weight. That was 6 months ago and he has kept it all and has actually gained another 3 pounds through wise natural training!
My lipid profile only changed very slightly as compaired to drastically for an 8 weeker. My liver enzymes very very slightly elevated. No change in BUN or creatinine(kidney function) I got NO ACNE and I usually get very bad acne on a long cycle.
Testes never shrunk and test rebounded a week after to 650...my normal is 550.
RG
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