TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[Lift Chief]

For someone who is doing their second cycle-- first cycle using fina. 6-2 200 pounds - lean. Would 75mg EOD for 2 weeks be ok or should i do 75 ED. I would consider doing 150 EOD but i think that would kill my delts-- maybe i'm wrong? What do you think, realgains?

--again- thanks

 

[Realgains]

For someone who is doing their second cycle-- first cycle using fina. 6-2 200 pounds - lean. Would 75mg EOD for 2 weeks be ok or should i do 75 ED. I would consider doing 150 EOD but i think that would kill my delts-- maybe i'm wrong? What do you think, realgains?

--again- thanks

Do 75 per day and rotate the injection sites between lateral delts, mid lateral thigh and upper outer glutes. I have even done traps and chest but you have to make sure you pull back very well to check if you are in one of the many veins in these regions.

You should use another compound too...try d-bol with the tren.
RG

 

[Lift Chief]

Ok that's what i'll do then- thanks!

 

[Realgains]

There seems to be some confusion over hormone choices so I thought I would help to clear that up.

The best hormones for muscle growth are those that are #1. Highly androgenic AND anabolic and #2. aromatize.
I can hear some of you saying that the aromatization thing is only about water gain but that is not so. Yes water gain will come BUT the estrogen also helps with strength and mass gain. This has been my finding after 19 years of use and is also the finding reported by most other vets. It seesm that estrogen is important to some degree in IGF-1 release.
Another thing to note is that if you get too carried away with estrogen inhibitors like arimidex then gains will suffer.

It is also a good idea to stack a class 1 with a class 2 hormone. Class one roids work primarily at the AR (tren, nandrolone and test) Class 2 hormones work via the AR too but more so via non AR mediated mechanisms (winstrol, d-bol , anandrol)
The only hormone that works very well at both is testosterone and that is why it is KING IMHO.
Nandrolone and tren are best at the AR though.

Best hormones for mass are #1. Testosterone, #2. D-bol or anadrol. The only non aromatizing roid that is decent for mass is tren.
You can combine winny and nandrolne for good mass and d-bol and nandrolone for good mass and there are other combo's with the weaker androgens that are pretty good but as far as individual hormones are concerned the above list rules.

So for the two weeker its best to stick with the strongest hormones available.

RG

 

[Nelson Montana]

Realgains:You're dead-on in some respects but a bit off on others.

You're absolutelly right about estrogen. There is an overconcern with it and everybody is willin got start popping anti-e's after one dianabol. Estrogen has many advantages and suppressing it should only be necessary if excessive aromatization occurs -- which would not be the case is dosages are kept reasonable.

(Incidentally, I know people have a hard time comprehending that and will continue to go about doing things the wrong way, but there's little I can do about it).

I find some contradiction in your statements however. Yes, test is king, and ALL steroids are based on the test molecule (essentially).

Anadrol will not aromatize to estrogen but it's high is progesterone (as is Deca) which can lead to puffy nips. ( nonestrogenic gyno.)

You compare Winstrol with Anadrol but the two are as different as can be. Since Winstrol with increase DHT, it may at as an anti-estrogen. It also as anti progesterone effects and is non bloating whereas Anadrol is very progesterongenic and very bloating. And the fact that Anadrol is considered a strong drug is absolutely wrong. It's a weak drug -- which is why it's made in a 50 mg tablet. Sure, it blows you up (water weight fron the progesterone) but you piss twice and lose 25 pounds. An equal amount of d-bol is much more powerful.

As far as steroids such as Winny (as well as Proviron) binding to AR, it's an advantage because DHT can not be converted to estogen. But in the case of Deca, there's no such advantage.

As far as Tren goes --never took it -- never will -- would never recommend it.

 

[drgoodbody]

Nelson...

I've read your work elsewhere and find some of it thought provoking... As is the last line of your previous post...

Why do you dislike Trenbolone?

DrG

 

[Nelson Montana]

DrG: In response to your question.

I know this is an unpopular thing to say, (especially around here) but I'll say it anyway.

VETERINARIAN DRUGS ARE NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION!

They often contain other compounds that are toxic such as de-worming medicine. (Surprised? Why should you be? The drug company doesn't have to warn you -- you're not a cow, and only a cow is supposed to be taking it.)

The proof is in the fact that so many of them cause side effects of unknown origin -- anxiety, flu symptoms, hives, night sweats, flucuations i temperature, etc. Besides, the purity guidelines are not the same.

Trenbolone is also very kidney toxic.

If that isn't enough, there isn't anything else I can say that will convince anyone otherwise.

 

[Festo]

DrG: In response to your question.

I know this is an unpopular thing to say, (especially around here) but I'll say it anyway.

VETERINARIAN DRUGS ARE NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION!

They often contain other compounds that are toxic such as de-worming medicine. (Surprised? Why should you be? The drug company doesn't have to warn you -- you're not a cow, and only a cow is supposed to be taking it.)

The proof is in the fact that so many of them cause side effects of unknown origin -- anxiety, flu symptoms, hives, night sweats, flucuations i temperature, etc. Besides, the purity guidelines are not the same.

Trenbolone is also very kidney toxic.

If that isn't enough, there isn't anything else I can say that will convince anyone otherwise.

Ok but trenbolone have been a human drug before(parabolan) and I have never seen possible kidneys problem on their safety sheet...And if you get your tren from a reputable underground lab made with pure tren powder rather than pellets you dont get any of these dewormer...

 

[evil jared]

Okay.....Realgains last year was 5'10" 235 fairly lean pounds...probably about 10% bodyfat. Did a front load of 200mg tren and then 100 per day for 12 days. Also did d-bol 50mg per day for 14 days and test prop 100 mg per day after a 300mg front load. Stopped the prop after day 11. Clomid on day15 through 4 weeks off.
Gain was 7 pounds!

so are you advocating 3 steroids for this this cycle or 2? you say only 2 are needed but others in converstion and you in the quote above say 3. I'm pretty sure you only mentioned 3 because you're freakin 5'10" 235 and not 5'8" 170 like myself, but i just want to clear this up so i don't get mixed up.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I sometimes wonder if anyone has any idea what the difference is between 200mgs of 3 steroids and 300mgs of 2 steroids.