TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[Realgains]

Realgains, why you did not use it all year long?

I have not used steroids at all for over a year bro. After 19 years I thought I needed a long break. I have managed to stay at a very lean 215 though hard work.

RG

 

[davidpro]

got you

 

[Realgains]

Oh BTW those dudes over at the Fina board don't know what they are talking about. They are bad mouthing short cycles having never tried them. Nobody is saying that two weekers give huge gains but they do work if large doses of front loaded highly androgenic injectables and powerful orals are used.
Its a good way to get far better gains than through natural training yet limit the negatives.

RG

 

[ungbygger]

Oh BTW those dudes over at the Fina board don't know what they are talking about. They are bad mouthing short cycles having never tried them. Nobody is saying that two weekers give huge gains but they do work if large doses of front loaded highly androgenic injectables and powerful orals are used.
Its a good way to get far better gains than through natural training yet limit the negatives.

RG

Hey bro!

These are some really interressting posts!
What other roids would be suitable for 2-weekers?
What about Oral Winny/Anavar in high doses?

Thanks!

 

[Antti]

So, I thought of doing these 2 weeks on 4 weeks off thingies with 50mg of winstrol ED. Would this be any effective? I would do it for a year or so. Would I need clomid during the off-time?

 

[Fonz]

I have posted on two week cycles before but I thought I should touch on the issue once again especially for the paranoid newbie.

Two weekers are a good start for the newbie and good for those that are tired of all the sides and especially a shitty lipid profile. They are also good for the very serious lifter that just want to play it as safe as possible.

Doing two week cycles with 4 week off year round will give similar results to doing 3 eight week cycles per year but will be much safer all round.


The worst side of AAS use BY FAR with men is a shitty lipid profile and usually VERY SHITTY. Two week cycles minimize time with a crappy lipid profile and this is obviously a good thing for long term health reasons.

Secondly , long cycles can cause testosterone recovery problems in some and even if HCG is used during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, although HCG certainly helps.
Recovery of natural test production after a two weeker is very rapid and thus gains made are kept for the most part.

Other nasty sides like bad acne and hair loss are minimized with two week cycles. In fact my budies and I never get any acne at all during a two weeker. Acne for most seems to come on after three weeks and can get very bad indeed.

During the usual 4 week off period gains continue! This is probably because natural test levels normally rebound to a somewhat higher than normal level for a few weeks( higher than your usual norm) Also other metabolic factors are still in the "primed state" from the steroid use.
When was the last time you continued to gain immediately after a long cycle!

One can do two weeks on and then only two weeks off for a long time and even year round but this will eventually result in Testicular atrophy so using 300-500 iu's of HCG per day during each cycle is a good idea. Two on two off with HCG during the time "on" is better than being on steroids all year long for sure and can give excellent results.

Better yet do two weeks on and then four weeks off. This can safely be done ALL YEAR without HCG.


HORMONE CHOICES, DOSAGE and other tips.

Choice of hormone is VERY important when constructing a two week cycle. You must only use rapid acting roids and test. If you use hormones like Deca, test cyp, Eq or Primo the cycle will not be two weeks long due to the long acting nature of the esters used. You are then defeating the whole purpose of a two week cycle.


If you are still not at your natural maximum weight then you can get very good results from moderate doses of steroids, although the two weeker requires a little more per day than you would use in an 8-10 weeker.
D-bol at 30mg per day in five divided doses and tren at 50-75 per day will do just fine and will often give a 10 pound muscle gain if you are not at your natural max weight.
Front load the tren at 150 mg on day one in order to get blood hormone levels up right away.......you can't be waiting for good hormone levels during a two weeker. PLEASE do not be afraid of the loading dose as it will not hurt you at all.
Stop the d-bol after day 14 and the tren after day 12. Then hit clomid just to be safe on day 15 at 300 mg in divided doses and then 50 per day for 3-4 weeks.

For those that are at their natural max weight, which is usually about 190 fairly lean pounds at 5'-9", more is needed. You guys should try d-bol at 50 per day in 5 divided doses and tren at 75 per day. test prop at 100 per day after a 300mg front load would be a good idea for many. You could also throw in some winny at 50 per day or test prop at 100 per day. If you use the prop be sure to front load on day one with 300mg. Stop the prop after day 11.

For those of you that are well above your natural max weight then very large doses are needed, as they are with long cycles. You should try d-bol at 50 per day, tren at 100 with a 150-200 front load, test prop at 125-150 per day with a 300 front load and perhaps even winstrol at 50 per day. If you want to leave anything out then leave out the winny. Then hit clomid as above.

I know of many very large men that have gained a solid 5 pounds of muscle from a two weeker using 100 of prop per day for 11 days after a 300 front load, d-bol 50 per day through day 14 and tren at 75-100 per day through day 12 after a 150 front load.

NOTE: WINSTROL DEPOT hangs around for about a week after the last shot so it is best to use oral winsol through day 14 or the IM winny only during the first week.

If you are not a competitive BBer then perhaps two weekers are all you really need. Obviously two weekers are not for the advanced competitor but how many out there really are.

Best of luck and best of health!

This would only work with test suspension or fina suspension.

You'd have to shoot as much as you physically could to get
results.

Even then....they are going to be shitty.

You could pound down the T3(150mcgs/day) to accelerate
protein synthesis further....but that might only equate to an extra lb of muscle gained...if that.

Fonz

 

[drug_against_war]

Here you guys go:

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34527

There is more explanation of this here. Apparently this is a common European technique.
Two things I'd like to point out here are that
1. This is a way of conservatively cycling steroids, not a way to get freaky huge or explode in a short time. It's a way to enhance your natural gains in a way your body can more readily deal with and more realistically keep.
2. The choices for hormones are based on two characteristics: anabolic and androgenic. Every steroid is balanced between these to features, and you need to choose a stack that covers both. On top of that, they have to be short-acting steroids otherwise it takes too long to see any results. Choices here are anavar, winny, tren, test prop, durabolin, dbol, anadrol, test supsension.
I personally think this is a great approach and will try it in the future. I am currently on a 10 week "classic American" bulk cycle, so I will have something to compare it to. Although I have gained siginifcant weight (30+ lbs) and added 60 lbs to my bench in only six-seven weeks, I've added more bodyfat than I think is healthy. Not to mention stretch marks, joint pain, fatigue, etc. I really question how wise it is to do this several times a year.
To each his own...
Peace,
DAW

 

[Realgains]

Hey bro!

These are some really interressting posts!
What other roids would be suitable for 2-weekers?
What about Oral Winny/Anavar in high doses?

Thanks!

You could use the weaker fast acting and clearing roids like winstrol and anavar but it is really best to use pretty high doses of highly androgenic roids and test like test prop, test suspension, tren acetate or suspension if you can find it, d-bol and anadrol.

Two weeks isn't a very long time to see results BUT if you front load the injectables like tren acetate and test prop and pound the heavy orals like d-bol and anadrol then you can see decent results in 14 days.....not steller results like with an 8 weeker but a hundred times better than training naturally. Test suspension and tren suspension , if you can find it, do not need front loads as blood hormone levels will but up in a matter of hours.



RG

 

[Realgains]

So, I thought of doing these 2 weeks on 4 weeks off thingies with 50mg of winstrol ED. Would this be any effective? I would do it for a year or so. Would I need clomid during the off-time?

I wouldn't use winstrol alone because it wouldn't be that effective..too weak . It does work well combined test or tren though. Also winstrol is the hardest hormone on the lipid profile so I wouldn't want to use it all year round even with 2 on 4 off......although you could probably get away with it if you used 1.5-3 grams of niacin per day most of the time. Be sure to keep a close eye on your liver enyzmes while on winstrol AND niacin both of which can be hard on the liver.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Re: Re: TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

This would only work with test suspension or fina suspension.

You'd have to shoot as much as you physically could to get
results.

Even then....they are going to be shitty.

You could pound down the T3(150mcgs/day) to accelerate
protein synthesis further....but that might only equate to an extra lb of muscle gained...if that.

Fonz

Fonz made a good recommendation......a couple weeks of T3 would be helpful. Tren reduces T3 and T4 production. I have experienced that while "on" tren as I frequently get my thyroid levels checked sinced I have been hypothyroid since age 12.

Shitty results?....well that depends on a couple of things....if you are not at your natural maximum weight then the results are pretty good but if you are at your natural max(few are) or above it then results will be less.
I guess if you are used to seeing the results from 8-10 weekers then yes the results from a two weeker are not going to seem impressive.....BUT...if you have been working like at bastered as a natural trainee for years then the results from a heavy two weeker will seem great indeed.

One thing to remember.....in most traditional cycles one does not get blood hormone levels up to optimal levels right away unless one front loads or uses a powerful oral so you don't noramlly see anything until the end of week two or sometimes latter than that.

I always got my best results from a traditional cycle from about day 14 through week 4 or 5 and then after that things always tapered off quite a bit.

RG