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TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!
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Triple J
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I am going to throw out an alternative cycle approach that was prescribed by a doctor in the early 80s to me and some of my college athlete buddies.I can't remember the dosages exactly, they were low, but we all had gains using this approach.
You are on something 2/3 of the time 20 days at a run - but very low doses and just one shot of something at the beginning with a slow sustained release, and orals ED for 20 days.
The doc always gave us one shot of deca to kick off cycle, 2 tabs dbol for 10 days, 1 tab dbol (5mg as I recall) for 10 days, 10 days off, repeat cycle. Year-round, or at least pre and in-season, on these very low dosages. He would rotate the orals, winnie or ox instead of d. Always an rx for 30 tabs.
If I were to do this today, at my age, I would want to avoid the deca and go with test enanthate or something like that. I don't know what dose though, but maybe two shots to get a more gradual release. What I don't really know is what I would do about an anti-e. Probably nolva would be good for the 10 days off and recovery but preferably it would be nice to have the T low enough to avoid sides during the cycle, while still high enough to get some benefit, avoiding the need for the anti-e during cycle?
What do ya think?
You are on something 2/3 of the time 20 days at a run - but very low doses and just one shot of something at the beginning with a slow sustained release, and orals ED for 20 days.
The doc always gave us one shot of deca to kick off cycle, 2 tabs dbol for 10 days, 1 tab dbol (5mg as I recall) for 10 days, 10 days off, repeat cycle. Year-round, or at least pre and in-season, on these very low dosages. He would rotate the orals, winnie or ox instead of d. Always an rx for 30 tabs.
If I were to do this today, at my age, I would want to avoid the deca and go with test enanthate or something like that. I don't know what dose though, but maybe two shots to get a more gradual release. What I don't really know is what I would do about an anti-e. Probably nolva would be good for the 10 days off and recovery but preferably it would be nice to have the T low enough to avoid sides during the cycle, while still high enough to get some benefit, avoiding the need for the anti-e during cycle?
What do ya think?
I don't want to use a thread for self promotion (My blatant signature is plenty) 
But I address all these issues in an upcoming book which will have much more drug info than The Bodybuilding Truth. Maybe George will be interested in carrying my "Steroids For Health 2002" report as a preview to the books release.
The thing to realize is, the program is very specific in its purpose and effects. If you want to use roids to safely enhance natural training, it can be done. Problems arise when people want to start "molding it" to suit their desires. If you want to use vet roids, it isn't the program. If you want to extend it, it isn't the program. If you want to go back on sooner, it isn't the program. If you want to gain 30 pounds in 6 weeks, it isn't the program. If you want to use Clomid, it isn't the program.
Lift Chief. Your goals are counter productive. Steroids are best used for gaining size. Using them as an "anti-catabolic" aid while dieting is not the way they're intended to be used and will not yield optimum results.
And by the way, 6 years after taking my last roid, I still have the same bodyweight -- which is 40 pounds more than my "natural" maximum weight. And I have the same bf%, even though I'm in my 40's.
But I address all these issues in an upcoming book which will have much more drug info than The Bodybuilding Truth. Maybe George will be interested in carrying my "Steroids For Health 2002" report as a preview to the books release. The thing to realize is, the program is very specific in its purpose and effects. If you want to use roids to safely enhance natural training, it can be done. Problems arise when people want to start "molding it" to suit their desires. If you want to use vet roids, it isn't the program. If you want to extend it, it isn't the program. If you want to go back on sooner, it isn't the program. If you want to gain 30 pounds in 6 weeks, it isn't the program. If you want to use Clomid, it isn't the program.
Lift Chief. Your goals are counter productive. Steroids are best used for gaining size. Using them as an "anti-catabolic" aid while dieting is not the way they're intended to be used and will not yield optimum results.
And by the way, 6 years after taking my last roid, I still have the same bodyweight -- which is 40 pounds more than my "natural" maximum weight. And I have the same bf%, even though I'm in my 40's.
Sorry Lift Chief. That comment was meant for Counterstrike.
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This is interesting. I thought it usually takes D-bol like 2 weeks to really start noticing? I notice T- Prop within a few days, but how about Fina? How long does it usually take to notice kicking in? Also about minimising sides. Would you say you have less chance to get gyno from Fina going with this 2 week approach, I have not used Fina for fear of Gyno. I got gyno from T-prop in less than 2 weeks. I'm afraid that it will happen again, so I don't know if I'm going to use it again. I do believe 2 weekers would be alot easier on your body. GOOD POST.
a friend of mine squat800 who is also a member on this board usually runs only 4 week cycles and he is in the top 30 of the best powerlifters in the world. He is lucky because he dont shut down hardly at all and for a long time never used clomid and still maintained strenth!
Lift Chief
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Nord from what i understand you should run fina and prop up until day 12 and the oral up until day 14. You may be able to run prop up till day 13 cause of its shorter half life.
I recently did a 2 week cycle of D-BOL, partly to know my sensivity to AAS and side effects.
I´m plagued with acne since I was 17, so that was a main issue for me.
week 1 beginning on friday I took 15 mg , week 2 took 20 mg, saturday 15mg, Sunday, 10mg, Monday 5mg. So a total of 17 days.
No change in training volume or calories
Gained 2.5 pounds and lost 1 pound fat, a total gain of 3.5 pound muscle with absolutely no side effects ( that I'm aware off) and no increase in acne.
2 weeks into recovery and I´ve lost nothing.
I plan to experiment more on 2 weeks this time adding an injectable.
My 2 cents
I´m plagued with acne since I was 17, so that was a main issue for me.
week 1 beginning on friday I took 15 mg , week 2 took 20 mg, saturday 15mg, Sunday, 10mg, Monday 5mg. So a total of 17 days.
No change in training volume or calories
Gained 2.5 pounds and lost 1 pound fat, a total gain of 3.5 pound muscle with absolutely no side effects ( that I'm aware off) and no increase in acne.
2 weeks into recovery and I´ve lost nothing.
I plan to experiment more on 2 weeks this time adding an injectable.
My 2 cents
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