TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[Realgains]

Re: Re: TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

2 on/4 off means you are on juice 1/3 of the time, right? Now, out of 52 weeks (one year) 1/3 is 17.3 weeks... how do you fit 3 eight-weekers in there???

Because one contnues to gain well during the off weeks after a two weeker then you can expect similar overall gains....similar to 3 eight weekers bro.....unless you don't have a good grasp on the difference between steroid training and natural training. If you continue to train like a steroid user on the 4 weeks off then no three 8 weekers will give better gains for the year.

I don't know of anyone who continues to gain in the immediate off weeks following an 8 weeker bro....and I have been juicing for 19 years. Usually a significant loss is seen.



RG

 

[Realgains]

You'd burn through clomid like it was water doing this if you did a full 4 weeks of it after every 2 week cycle-- is it really necessary to run it that long? Also, if you only did 2 week cycles you'd really be limiting the choice of compounds you could use...

Two weeks of clomid would okay.........clomid is cheap bro.

Test and tren are the two best hormones for mass bro........you have them both available for the two weeker. You just couldn't use primo, nandrolone deconate, EQ,

RG

 

[Realgains]

Re: I think the idea has merit, but I'm not covinced.

I don't like the idea of begining to shut down my own test production only to have supraphsiological levels of steroid hormones for two weeks - not even enough time for your body to kick into accelerated growth. It seem safer to stay away from steroids altogether to me.

I do realize that, regarding growth, there may be a cumulative effect over time. But I don't feel this is an efficent way to use steroids.

RG, can you post any data regarding repetative short cycles and recovery?

Yes the two weeks will shut down natural test but the pituitary isn't inhibited so recovery is great.

If you shut yourself down for 8-10 weeks you may have a hard time with recovery since both the hypothalamus and pituitary are fully inhibited AND your nuts will have shrunk and that is worse.

Bro fast acting roids and test prop will give good results especially if the injectables are front loaded. True you will not see steller gains but thats not the point of a two weeker....safety and health are.

Bill Roberts has given evidence of the rapid test recovery after two week cycles. I have checked my test levels a week after two weekers on three occasions and they have rebounded to slightly higher than my norm...550-650. A couple of my buddies experienced the same thing. I get cheap blood work done at the hospital I work at so this is not a big deal for me to do.

It often takes a month or more before test levels normalize after long cycles and thus you loose gains and feel crappy.


RG

 

[Lift Chief]

This is all very interesting-- the one thing is it just seems to me that there is something inherintly wrong with your hormones jumping around every 4 weeks. Would there be any negative effects of this as opposed to a traditional 8 week cycles where hormone levels are relatively constant throughout that time?

thanks--
this is making me rethink traditional cycles btw

 

[stonecold54]

what the hell I have tried all the other types of cycles, I guess my next one will be will be a dbol and test prop only for two weeks. then I will do the 4 weeks off and do my deca winny cycle.

 

[Realgains]

This is all very interesting-- the one thing is it just seems to me that there is something inherintly wrong with your hormones jumping around every 4 weeks. Would there be any negative effects of this as opposed to a traditional 8 week cycles where hormone levels are relatively constant throughout that time?

thanks--
this is making me rethink traditional cycles btw

Bro you are concerned and that is good but length of inhibition and the time "on" adrogens are the real issues. It would probably be best health wise to avoid steroids altogether but less time "on" and less inhibition and time inhibited is far better than months "on" with major inhibition and shruken nuts and a crappy lipid profile.

Bro as I said before the worst side of AAS use BY FAR in men is a very crappy lipid profile....and I mean shitty! Try a LDL to HDL ration of 15 or 20 to one!! So the main reason to use these short cycles is to minimize cardiovascular risk.
Also hair loss can be lessened in those that are prone to hair loss and acne is never an issue.

 

[Lift Chief]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

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[40butpumpin]

very nice, I for one like this approach mainly because I love the feeling I get from very high levels in my system even if it is for a short period of time. I wonder how the ol prostate would hold up under this approach. I had some bph after 5 weeks of fina at 75mg to start and then bumed to 100mg ed for the last two weeks. That wasnt any fun Ill tell ya. This would keep things real simple, thats for sure. prop, tren, hcg and lots of flax oil for 2 heavy ones on and 4 off. I like it. Thanks for the info RG.

 

[Realgains]

very nice, I for one like this approach mainly because I love the feeling I get from very high levels in my system even if it is for a short period of time. I wonder how the ol prostate would hold up under this approach. I had some bph after 5 weeks of fina at 75mg to start and then bumed to 100mg ed for the last two weeks. That wasnt any fun Ill tell ya. This would keep things real simple, thats for sure. prop, tren, hcg and lots of flax oil for 2 heavy ones on and 4 off. I like it. Thanks for the info RG.

Hey bro I am 40 too and us old guys(even though I can still out run and out lift 90% of this board he he he ) need to watch the lipid profile and prostate very closely. The last long cycle of tren/test I did resulted in an elevated PSA and that scared the crap out of me....thus another reason to think about two weekers.

Don't forget to take 1.5 grams of non time released Niacin along with those essential fatty acids while "on"...for the lipid profile.

RG

 

[Lift Chief]

would 2 weeks be the longest amount of time you could run the cycle for? or could you go up to 4 weeks? Just curious what the longest short cycle would be.

The only other question i have is would you have to switch compounds every cycle-- or since it's shorter can you stick to the same compounds for like 3 or 4 of these shorter cycles?
thanks--