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Two Questions

Mindwraith

New member
Been doing great on my new routine thanks to everyone's advice. Getting some real growth now. But I got two more questions.

1. What is this "Gear" everyone keeps refering to?

2. Protein, I hear a lot of differing and very conflicting opinions from two seemingly credible sources on protein and supplimentation.

The American Dietic Association (not sure if they're all that credible or not) says:

High protein diets do not build muscle and burn fat as people may think.
Regular physical activity and training builds muscle strength.
Very high protein diets can strain the liver and kidneys.
For those who do lose weight rapidly, it may be from water loss, not body fat.
This diet is not a healthy eating plan for life-long health.

Got that from this site here:

http://www.osufood.com/Menus/nu-protein.asp

And on ESPN's website we have a girl with plenty of letters after the name contridicting some of that while still agreeing in many ways, but also discourages the need for amino acid supplements.

So who's right and who here can elaborate on all this.

http://espn.go.com/trainingroom/s/1999/1104/151285.html

Protein is essential to the human body for growth and repair of tissue. Beyond making muscle, protein helps athletes to maintain blood, to keep hormones working and to fight off disease by enriching the immune system. Protein is made up of chains of amino acids, some of which the body cannot manufacture. Athletes who get too little protein may find that their hair falls out easily, and females may develop amenorrhea. Some athletes surprisingly get too little protein; perhaps they are vegetarian, perhaps they focus only on increasing carbohydrates as fuel or perhaps they cannot find the time or energy to create balanced meals with protein. A high-carbohydrate diet that is low in protein can still cause fatigue and poor performance. Other athletes may overdo protein intake at the expense of a balanced diet, or rely on amino acid supplements of questionable value to increase protein intake that basic diet improvements could provide.

How much protein should an athlete consume?


The normal amount of protein recommended for sedentary people is 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day. (Take your weight in pounds and divide by 2.2 to get your weight in kilograms.) In athletes, several factors determine the amount of protein needed -- duration and intensity of exercise, degree of training and current energy and protein intake of the diet.


Athletes who train hard need more protein than the average individual. In one study, men who did aerobic exercise regularly (biking, running, swimming) needed additional protein 50 percent over their RDA. By measuring nitrogen balance, a technique used to determine if more protein is lost from the body than taken in by the diet, researchers found these active men needed extra protein to cover the cost of exercise. The additional amount was about 27 grams, the same as a 3-ounce chicken breast, two and a half cups of milk or a can of tuna. This makes it unnecessary to purchase expensive amino acid drinks. The amount of amino acids in pills and drinks should be compared to what 1 ounce of meat, fish or chicken provides. An ounce of food protein provides 7 grams of protein, or 7000 milligrams of amino acids.
The explanation for this increased protein comes from studies showing that amino acids are also broken down for energy in exercising muscles. When glycogen stores get low during an exercise session, the body breaks down some fat and a little bit of muscle. During post-exercise recovery, rebuilding with protein is necessary.



Strength athletes need 1.4 to 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day; this extra protein goes to increase muscle weight. Runners and other endurance athletes also need more protein because on long workouts their muscles burn some protein. These athletes need 1.2 to 1.4 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day. Because endurance athletes weigh less than strength trainers, the amount of protein needed per day is less. For example, a 200-pound bodybuilder (91 kilograms) needs 127 to 163 grams of protein; on the other hand, a 150-pound runner (68 kilograms) may need 82 to 95 grams of protein. The protein goal is about 12 to 20 percent of total calorie intake. Moderate exercisers need additional 10 percent protein above the RDA, and athletes in training may need 25 to 50 percent more than the RDA.
Protein is required on a daily basis, but too much can be a problem. Extra calories, no matter what the source, can be converted to stored body fat and protein beyond the recommendations must be processed by the kidneys and liver to rid the body of unwanted nitrogen byproducts. The kidneys have to flush out toxins in urine, so athletes getting an excess of protein could risk dehydration. Also, studies show that excessive protein may cause the loss of calcium in urine, which puts women at risk for osteoporosis.




Just thought I'd ask about this because I get some people saying I need to take in around 180 grams or more and 4 tabs of aminos a day and others saying 90 grams and 1 tab and others saying no tabs and 56g. Who knows the real story? Lot of mis-information out there but you never can tell who's right and who's wrong.
 
rjl296 said:

are you serious??

Of course I'm serious. I'm not sure if this is some kind of brand name or what. I had assumed originally that this refered to things like gloves and support belts and things of that nature, but the context it keeps being used in is becoming confusing.

(notice the newbie title I've still got)
 
Mindwraith said:

Just thought I'd ask about this because I get some people saying I need to take in around 180 grams or more and 4 tabs of aminos a day and others saying 90 grams and 1 tab and others saying no tabs and 56g. Who knows the real story? Lot of mis-information out there but you never can tell who's right and who's wrong.
What you have to realize is that much if this stuff applies to sedentary people or weekend warriors, it does not apply to the hard core lifter/PL/BBer. I would say the high ned of the recomendations above are a bare minimum at best. Most of the people here likely use 1 - 1.5g per lb of bodyweight at least. Our government is in the dark ages on nutrition and the needs of the general public and have absolutely no idea what it takes for a PL/BBer. Most guys who have been lifting for some time can tell you that if they dont get enough protein they simply dont grow and once they increase protien they almost immediatly start making progress again.
 
Thanks a ton guys! I think Zyg pretty much answered my second question and pretty much what I had assumed too. Just had to make sure. Real experience, imo, always outweighs whats in the book and on paper.

Heh if gear is roids I guess I wont be using any gear, I do just fine w/o it so far.
 
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