The FAT Chronicles

[2 ton hoss]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE FAT BOARD.

re; the original post here...I had my gaLL BLADDER OUT NEARLY 3 YEARS AGO . I suffered from gall pains for over a year and ate practically noting. Ilived literally on bean sprouts tofu and ginger with a few rice noodles and drank gindger ale as everthing ing else gave me an attack.
Do you think in a year of this I lost weight ? nope . I have asked every one- doctors naturopaths etc etc etc why I wouldnt looose weigt when i ate so little...no one in the world can answer me.

Since then of course I ate the things I had missed out on for so long, put on weight real easy and still just as impossible to take it off..

Just frustrating.

NOW THIS REALLY ANGERS ME. IT IS TOTALLY CLEAR TO ME WHY SHE DID NOT LOSE WEIGHT. YOU EAT THAT LITTLE, YOUR BODY GOES INTO STARVATION MODE - YOUR METABOLIC RATE PLUNGES. NOT TO MENTION THERE'S VERY LITTLE PROTEIN IN THAT DIET, TOFU HAS SOME, BUT IT IS NOT COMPLETE PROTEIN. AND SHE DID NOT SAY, BUT I DOUBT SHE WAS EXERCISING AT ALL, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST DOING SITTING LEG RAISES IN FRONT OF THE TELLY. IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY SHE LOST SOME MUSCLE AND GAINED WATER WEIGHT.

I SHOULD REGISTER AND POST THERE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO REPLY TO THIS POST PLEASE DO IT, IT'S IN THE "NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF WEIGHT LOSS" THREAD IN THE GENERAL BOARD. JUST GO THERE, BE POLITE, AND POINT OUT THAT YOU DO NOT LOSE WEIGHT EFFECTIVELY BY DOING NO EXERCISE AND STARVING YOURSELF (BUT NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, IF YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF STARVING YOURSELF, I.E. EATING NOTHING, YOU WOULD LOSE WEIGHT WONDERFULLY)

YOU KNOW I AM WILLING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE TIME THESE FAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO LOSE SOME FAT AND MUSCLE IN THEIR DIETS BUT PROBABLY GAIN IN WATER WEIGHT SINCE THEY ARE NOT EATING CORRECTLY. I MEAN WHEN YOU WEIGH 900 POUNDS, 30 POUNDS OF WATER IS NOTHING. THEN THEY GET FRUSTRATED AND QUIT.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I'm sure if you have advice about healthier ways of eating we would all appreciate it over there. Just be respectful and don't cram "X percent body fat" down people's throats, and we're happy to have folks there.

There's another thread about nutrition bars, if you know anything about them .... (we don't!)

We have a few formerly fat people who post there. As long as they aren't rude and judgemental, it's cool.

[EDIT] Now that I have gone and read it, it doesn't sound as if this person starved herself by choice. Some people with gall bladder problems have pain *whenever* they eat, and can only eat certain foods. My mother had this problem for a while, thankfully it went away without surgery, as they don't have health insurance!

I think she means that she was sort of forced onto a "diet" by her gallbladder, and is shocked that she didn't lose weight eating as little as she did.

From what I read here, there are good reasons. If you want to post about them, please do, but try to avoid a "YOU MUST LOSE BODY FAT" slant. Folks are a little spooked about trolls over there now. If you show people you really are respectful of their situation and truly want to share expertise (without that l-o-n-g look down the nose), most folks there will be interested. Not all, but most.

 

[jennifer BFL chick]

I'm sure if you have advice about healthier ways of eating we would all appreciate it over there. Just be respectful and don't cram "X percent body fat" down people's throats, and we're happy to have folks there.

There's another thread about nutrition bars, if you know anything about them .... (we don't!)

We have a few formerly fat people who post there. As long as they aren't rude and judgemental, it's cool.

Maybe I will stop by and say hi then........

I was never OBESE, but I did tip the scales at 205, so I know how you can lose control and gain weight. I gained over 70 pounds in 2 years, but great nutrition and kicking my ass in the gym has gotten me in good shape. It takes time, and it takes patience. Alot of people are not willing to invest what it takes. And I DON'T have a body type that loses fat easy.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I saw your pics, you have really worked hard!!!

Let me just say, for anyone thinking of posting over there:

There is a rule against advocating any kind of "diet" or weight loss because people there have been ostracized for their weight, some of them all their lives, and want a safe place away from the YFF attitude. (That stands for You Fat Fuck, or perhaps You Fat Fuck-up.)

But I have found that people who post without that attidude are generally well received. If you said, for example, "Here's what I did ... " without any value judgement about the character of those who don't do the same, or any value judgement about looks, or The Holy Grail Of Losing Body Fat, a few folks may get interested and want to ask you questions.

I just bought the BFL book myself. Actually I was reading my bf's a year ago, but the reason it didn't inspire me then was because the pictures made me feel incredibly bad about myself. I couldn't believe anyone could do that in three months, much less me, and I knew if I failed to look like that AGAIN in my life I'd just be crushed. It was actually UN-motivating at that point in my life.

I find that the book, while it does offer sound advice, is very look-ist and weight-ist. Statements like: "I firmly believe that a strong, healthy mind resides in a strong, healthy body. That, my friends, is a fact. When I see men and women who are out of shape, I see lives not fully lived. I see lost potential," discount the kind of progress I have made in my life that has nothing to do with the body.

I used to be a very emotionally messed up person. When I was thin and ran at least 20 miles a week, I was a weak, co-dependent female who developed obsessive "crushes" on men that were very self-destructive to me. I took jobs in which I was poorly treated and poorly paid, ones that were even more damaging to my self-esteem, because I didn't think I was worth any better. My life has undergone a lot of changes for the better and I am 200% more whole and healthy emotionally than I ever was. I also gained weight during this time.

Do I believe I was better off when I was almost suicidal over some guy because my body was in better shape?? No. My body was in OK shape, but my mind was in la-la land, and I was a MESS.

So body size and shape isn't the whole story.

I'm ready to work on my body now, but I'm going to filter out all the messages in that book that say fat people are somehow less/sick in mind. My life is 200% better even though I gained weight, and if my mind/heart/life HADN'T gotten better, I still wouldn't be able to take better care of my body!!!

 

[jennifer BFL chick]

Thankyou, I have worked very hard


I agree with you 100% that being "thin" or lean for that matter, dosn't make you a happy or "better" person. The problem I personally see, is that alot of people reach a "perfect" body, but they are unhealthy, which typically equals unhappy.

When you are unhappy, its very hard to keep doing what your doing day in and day out----thus, people gain the weight/fat back.

This is why I'm so glad I'm actually HEALTHY now, and have truly changed my lifestyle.

I would never tell anyone that they have to lose weight to be happy, or that they should do exactly what I did to get in shape. Every person is different, but I do feel that I have some knowledge I could share with anyone interested. I'm not an "expert" but I have lived in a fat body, and now I'm in a strong healthy one.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

When you are unhappy, its very hard to keep doing what your doing day in and day out----thus, people gain the weight/fat back.

Boy, ya got that one right!!! That is one of the things that happened to me ...

At this point, I'd settle for the strong body, with or without fat. It's nice to be able to carry your own groceries and not have backaches all the time!!!

Congratulations on all the hard work you have done. I'm glad things are going so well for you!!!

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

FYI

I posted over there that y'all might be coming over, and here's what someone had to say:

I would welcome anyone who wants to participate in this board that has input to offer in a positive, encouraging, compassionate manner. It's very difficult for two groups of people who are poles apart in their beliefs to find common ground.

I would ask that the people from BOTH Elite and our board, consider what you're saying before you type it. Question yourself before you click on submit - Am I acting superior? Am I being insulting? Am I positively influencing this discussion? Am I following the rules of the board? Would I speak this way to my own child, a cherished loved one, or family member who is right in front of me, face to face?

Before we assume it's an offensive post, ask questions and wait for clarification. Sometimes, what you understand it to be, isn't what the person meant. Then, if you still feel the person is being an a******, then go for it! The moderators can deal with it, I guess.

The main bone of contention - WEIGHT LOSS. I would most certainly welcome constructive input on how different foods chemically affect my body and make my body behave better, or worse. But, to adjust my eating for the goal of weight loss or discussion of that goal, is not what this board is about, or at least that's what I'm understanding. That's why I'm here and not a member at Elite.

Let's all accept that we disagree on this issue. Disagreeing about an issue doesn't mean hostility has to be involved. I would no more call any of the people over at elite "dumb jock" or profane nicknames because they believe in something totally different than I. I have nothing but admiration for a person who has the discipline, focus, and the genetics to be what they are, but please don't call me YFF because I don't do exactly the same thing. Everyone is different. The word is diversity. And, we just might find, that in contributing to civil, joint discussions that we'll have found the common ground.

I agree LL, they do have some very valuable information to share and so do we. And, maybe, just maybe, in listening to some of their input, I'll find ways to seek the expertise of a fitness professional and get around being frightened to walk into a health club and work out.

So, ladies and gentlemen come on over! I'd like to hear from you Oh, and one last thing. Do me a really big favor....... Please, please, don't misunderstand this, Hoss, if you stop by please, COULD YOU TURN DOWN THE VOLUME? My ears are still ringing from your posts over at Elite. I may end up needing hearing aids !

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I can agree wholeheartedly about sometimes what you think the other person said isn't what they meant. That is happening ALL THE TIME between that board and this one and makes people needlessly pissed at each other.

 

[2 ton hoss]

OK I WILL TURN IT DOWN just for you Troll

I have a rough work week coming up but I may drop by, look for me I will be on my best behavior.

 

[2 ton hoss]

WELL TROLL I WENT AND POSTED THERE, I TRIED NOT TO ADVOCATE LOSING WEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IN FACT I PHRASED MOST OF IT LIKE "WHEN WEIGHTLIFTERS WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT, THEY..." SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T QUITE PUT PEOPLE ON THE SPOT.

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!

AND P.S. I TYPED IN REGULAR LETTERS

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

sorry, I was unexpectedly out of town for 4 days.

I'll post back when I can get there to read ...

Thanx!!