The Entitlement Mentality; can the younger generations of poor help themselves?

[ceo]

Authoritarian=schedule.

Wtf? Life is about authoritarian rule...I have negotiated deadlines with clients and I have never missed one; My mom was pissed about that Thanksgiving.
My parents just expected me to be "responsible." I was always home and playing D&D or World in Flames when I was teen. My job was to do what was expected of me...splitting wood, working the farm.. I did this as a matter of duty...WTF is wrong with you people?

I think being raised on a farm where there's always work to do and everyone has a job helps a lot. Kids on farms start working at a very young age doing something. That helps them learn responsibility and that they are expected to work in order to earn their keep.

Maybe more suburban parents should send their kids to "farm camps"?

 

[ceo]

My older brother teaches at a private school outside of DC. I remember him telling me a story...the first time he was about to give a student a "B" one of his peers approached him and asked-

"Do you really wanna do that?"

"Why?" my brother asked.

"Anything less than an A- and the parents are going to raise hell."


Fucking parents, dude.

School seems to have gotten much easier over the years (at least since I was last in). Do kids still fail in public schools these days? Are they still held back? Is everything always graded on a curve now?

I've noticed there really aren't any losers anymore in kids sports either. Even on TV commercials, the winning team gets a pizza party at the end of the game and the losing team, looking downtrodden, suddenly gets McDonald's!!!! And the kids are ecstatic at this! The winning team looks over to see the losing team having a blast, eating McDonald's and suddenly they're the ones who look like they just lost the big game. As if McDonald's is better than pizza? Better than winning a game?

 

[Whiskey]

I don't think this is in any way an excuse to fail in raising your kids, but, to me it seems a lot of parents are affraid to discipline their children. Either out of fear of the school or police getting involved because Johnny went to school crying, or out of fear their kids will hate them in the short and long term.

I've also heard the comment, why bother, it doesn't do any good. Really? Because I have yet to see you discipline your hell spawn of a child once...

"and no kids here so just an observation."

Whiskey

 

[ledhead]

My older brother teaches at a private school outside of DC. I remember him telling me a story...the first time he was about to give a student a "B" one of his peers approached him and asked-

"Do you really wanna do that?"

"Why?" my brother asked.

"Anything less than an A- and the parents are going to raise hell."


Fucking parents, dude.

Yep, I believe every word you said. Private schools are ran by wealthy parents. I taught at a high income school. The parents ran the whole show because they had money. They controlled everyone from the school board, administration on down to the teachers aids. The administration kisses their ass because of economic reasons. They want their kids to be able to get into a nice private college or Ivy school even if they don't earn it. I seen it... The day I left that seen was a great day in my life.

Speaking of DC, my friend works on the hill, this dude knows his shit.It took him 10 yrs to get a PR position with a Congressman. He told me kids right out of college get high positions on the hill because their parents have money and clout, he said they don't know nothing, it's a joke. There's another reason why the government is soooo fucked up!

 

[ledhead]

I think the permissive parents are definitely the most common. Kids seem to run the roost more and more as the years/decades go by. It's tiring when both parents work all the time and someone else raises the kids, the parents get them after 6pm and are tired from working all day. They give in easily and the kids do what the kids want. Discipline is merely verbal threats that are never carried out, or if they are carried out, never to the extent that was threatened. Kids catch on to this quickly and will extort that weakness naturally at a very young age.

Do you think people are able to outgrow this or figure out the damage and correct it in their own lives later on in life?

Yeah, permissive parents are most prevalent. Yeah, I seen kids that were determined not to end up like their parents. They worked their buts off to be excellent students. There is always a remnant that have the right stuff. However, my perspective is teachers are just salvaging the wreckage, it's that bad.

For the record, AUTHORITATIVE parents make the best parents because they support their kids and give them their space, but keep them in line when they need it. AUTHORITARIAN make bad parents because they put too much pressure on their kids to excel and micromanage their lives, these kids usually rebel, and resort to drugs and alcohol, and get knocked-up or end up on psychotropics. Did you ever see the movie "Mommy Dearest"?

 

[ceo]

Yeah, permissive parents are most prevalent. Yeah, I seen kids that were determined not to end up like their parents. They worked their buts off to be excellent students. There is always a remnant that have the right stuff. However, my perspective is teachers are just salvaging the wreckage, it's that bad.

For the record, AUTHORITATIVE parents make the best parents because they support their kids and give them their space, but keep them in line when they need it. AUTHORITARIAN make bad parents because they put too much pressure on their kids to excel and micromanage their lives, these kids usually rebel, and resort to drugs and alcohol, and get knocked-up or end up on psychotropics. Did you ever see the movie "Mommy Dearest"?

Would you say Asian parents are more authoritarian or authoritative in general? At least in generations past, it seems to me they were more authoritarian. Seems to have worked well for them for many generations. Of course as they become more westernized it will probably cease to work as well as the kids feel they may actually have a choice to rebel. lol.

-oh, maybe 75th will chime in on this...being an Asian, and an expert on everything.

 

[jnevin]

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/102010/High_Expectaitions_Asian_Father.jpg

 

[cindylou]

sketchy link

 

[jnevin]

My AV didn't detect anything.

 

[ceo]

there. no clicky now for platty.