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The Entitlement Mentality; can the younger generations of poor help themselves?

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My brother works as a supervisor at a large plant in a pretty impoverished area of the nation. Low wages, high unemployment, low cost of living, high level of laziness area. He's worked at this plant for about 35 years. His plant just a couple weeks ago had to let go of two people. They were both younger people in their 20's. They were let go for repeatedly breaking rules.

One rule is there is no smoking anywhere on the grounds. One kid kept going out to smoke outside the building. He got caught and warned, got caught again and warned, got caught, written up, caught, disciplinary action, caught and finally fired. He was given several chances and kept breaking the rules. Upon getting fired he talked about how there were no other jobs and how unfair the situation was and what was he to do now, etc. The other person was let go under similar circumstances, just a different rule was repeatedly broken. Again, she was given several chances too.

These kids have this entitlement mentality that is so very common today, especially in the younger generations. I'd say around 30 and under it seems, though I've seen many 30+ people display it too.

Are they lazy? Do they feel there should be special rules just for them? Who's responsible for their reasoning? Parents? Government?

You'd think with jobs as scarce as they are, people would do anything to hold on to a good job. Do they even want to work? Can the poor even help themselves, or are they doomed to continue to fail, yet expect to be provided for? After all don't they deserve to be taken care of?
 
Lets get a welfare system that makes them do something for the money. Even if it is picking up trash in their neighborhood, giving people money for no reason sends the wrong message.
 
lartinos said:
Lets get a welfare system that makes them do something for the money. Even if it is picking up trash in their neighborhood, giving people money for no reason sends the wrong message.
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that's cruel bro. cruel.









heartless.
 
The disparity between this generations expectations and its work ethic is massive.

There's only one way to bridge the gap -- let's save money by pulling the plug on Mr. Db when he gets sick.
 
Parents and the media, imo.

Each generation gets lazier and more complacent. We really havent had to work for anything, and are taught that we deserve way too much.
 
75th said:
Parents and the media, imo.

Each generation gets lazier and more complacent. We really havent had to work for anything, and are taught that we deserve way too much.
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Exactly! I don't get it! Why would any society wish to perpetuate that idea?
 
ceo said:
My brother works as a supervisor at a large plant in a pretty impoverished area of the nation. Low wages, high unemployment, low cost of living, high level of laziness area. He's worked at this plant for about 35 years. His plant just a couple weeks ago had to let go of two people. They were both younger people in their 20's. They were let go for repeatedly breaking rules.

One rule is there is no smoking anywhere on the grounds. One kid kept going out to smoke outside the building. He got caught and warned, got caught again and warned, got caught, written up, caught, disciplinary action, caught and finally fired. He was given several chances and kept breaking the rules. Upon getting fired he talked about how there were no other jobs and how unfair the situation was and what was he to do now, etc. The other person was let go under similar circumstances, just a different rule was repeatedly broken. Again, she was given several chances too.

These kids have this entitlement mentality that is so very common today, especially in the younger generations. I'd say around 30 and under it seems, though I've seen many 30+ people display it too.

Are they lazy? Do they feel there should be special rules just for them? Who's responsible for their reasoning? Parents? Government?

You'd think with jobs as scarce as they are, people would do anything to hold on to a good job. Do they even want to work? Can the poor even help themselves, or are they doomed to continue to fail, yet expect to be provided for? After all don't they deserve to be taken care of?
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I posted up about something similar to this a couple of weeks ago. Like I said I taught high school social studies for years. Parents are the main culprits to why kids are screwed up and the lawmakers.

There are four types of parents. Authoritarians that micromanage their kids lives and never give them any room to breath and the kids rebel and act like assholes. Second, you have Permissive parents that care about their kids but let the kid manipulate them and press them until they permit the child to do what they want.. low expectations of self-control, no discipline.This type seems to be the most prevalent one.

Then you have Uninvolved parents, that don't give a shit about their kids at all, this is the second most type of parenting that i have encountered. Then you have Authoritative, I'm 40, you are probably somewhat of a cohort of mine, these are probably the type of parents we had. They care about their kids and give them some room to breath, but if they get out of line they tax that ass, very obsolete these days to see this type of parenting, but I'm sure there is some...

That's my opinion to why the youth of today's world is the way it is.
 
I think the permissive parents are definitely the most common. Kids seem to run the roost more and more as the years/decades go by. It's tiring when both parents work all the time and someone else raises the kids, the parents get them after 6pm and are tired from working all day. They give in easily and the kids do what the kids want. Discipline is merely verbal threats that are never carried out, or if they are carried out, never to the extent that was threatened. Kids catch on to this quickly and will extort that weakness naturally at a very young age.

Do you think people are able to outgrow this or figure out the damage and correct it in their own lives later on in life?
 
cindylou said:
raise your hand if you had Authoritarian parents! :wavey:
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Authoritarian=schedule.

Wtf? Life is about authoritarian rule...I have negotiated deadlines with clients and I have never missed one; My mom was pissed about that Thanksgiving.
My parents just expected me to be "responsible." I was always home and playing D&D or World in Flames when I was teen. My job was to do what was expected of me...splitting wood, working the farm.. I did this as a matter of duty...WTF is wrong with you people?
 
some people feel like because they have a job they are doing the company a favour by being employed.. not because they are getting paid..

odd world we live in.. I've had a couple of those over the past years..

dumbasses.
 
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ledhead said:
I posted up about something similar to this a couple of weeks ago. Like I said I taught high school social studies for years. Parents are the main culprits to why kids are screwed up and the lawmakers.

There are four types of parents. Authoritarians that micromanage their kids lives and never give them any room to breath and the kids rebel and act like assholes. Second, you have Permissive parents that care about their kids but let the kid manipulate them and press them until they permit the child to do what they want.. low expectations of self-control, no discipline.This type seems to be the most prevalent one.

Then you have Uninvolved parents, that don't give a shit about their kids at all, this is the second most type of parenting that i have encountered. Then you have Authoritative, I'm 40, you are probably somewhat of a cohort of mine, these are probably the type of parents we had. They care about their kids and give them some room to breath, but if they get out of line they tax that ass, very obsolete these days to see this type of parenting, but I'm sure there is some...

That's my opinion to why the youth of today's world is the way it is.
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My older brother teaches at a private school outside of DC. I remember him telling me a story...the first time he was about to give a student a "B" one of his peers approached him and asked-

"Do you really wanna do that?"

"Why?" my brother asked.

"Anything less than an A- and the parents are going to raise hell."


Fucking parents, dude.
 
lol
 
javaguru said:
Authoritarian=schedule.

I was always home and playing D&D or World in Flames when I was teen. My job was to do what was expected of me...splitting wood, working the farm.. I did this as a matter of duty...WTF is wrong with you people?
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Do you have any idea what would happen to me if I played D&D? :lmao: Your parents were CAKE.
 
It gets really frustrating when the parents aren't together and aren't 100% on the same page. My ex does discipline my daughter, but she also lets her do what she wants more than I do. She thinks discipline is just something you do when my daughter does something wrong instead of learned behaviors that help you throughout life. I'll try to color, do puzzles, have creative times with the kiddo and all she wants is to watch a movie and says she watches them with mom. The only time I let nher do that anymore is when I'm trying to study. Shit gets maddening.
 
javaguru said:
...WTF is wrong with you people?
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What do you mean..."you people"???

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javaguru said:
Authoritarian=schedule.

Wtf? Life is about authoritarian rule...I have negotiated deadlines with clients and I have never missed one; My mom was pissed about that Thanksgiving.
My parents just expected me to be "responsible." I was always home and playing D&D or World in Flames when I was teen. My job was to do what was expected of me...splitting wood, working the farm.. I did this as a matter of duty...WTF is wrong with you people?
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I think being raised on a farm where there's always work to do and everyone has a job helps a lot. Kids on farms start working at a very young age doing something. That helps them learn responsibility and that they are expected to work in order to earn their keep.

Maybe more suburban parents should send their kids to "farm camps"?
 
75th said:
My older brother teaches at a private school outside of DC. I remember him telling me a story...the first time he was about to give a student a "B" one of his peers approached him and asked-

"Do you really wanna do that?"

"Why?" my brother asked.

"Anything less than an A- and the parents are going to raise hell."


Fucking parents, dude.
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School seems to have gotten much easier over the years (at least since I was last in). Do kids still fail in public schools these days? Are they still held back? Is everything always graded on a curve now?

I've noticed there really aren't any losers anymore in kids sports either. Even on TV commercials, the winning team gets a pizza party at the end of the game and the losing team, looking downtrodden, suddenly gets McDonald's!!!! And the kids are ecstatic at this! The winning team looks over to see the losing team having a blast, eating McDonald's and suddenly they're the ones who look like they just lost the big game. As if McDonald's is better than pizza? Better than winning a game?
 
I don't think this is in any way an excuse to fail in raising your kids, but, to me it seems a lot of parents are affraid to discipline their children. Either out of fear of the school or police getting involved because Johnny went to school crying, or out of fear their kids will hate them in the short and long term.

I've also heard the comment, why bother, it doesn't do any good. Really? Because I have yet to see you discipline your hell spawn of a child once...

"and no kids here so just an observation."

Whiskey
 
75th said:
My older brother teaches at a private school outside of DC. I remember him telling me a story...the first time he was about to give a student a "B" one of his peers approached him and asked-

"Do you really wanna do that?"

"Why?" my brother asked.

"Anything less than an A- and the parents are going to raise hell."


Fucking parents, dude.
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Yep, I believe every word you said. Private schools are ran by wealthy parents. I taught at a high income school. The parents ran the whole show because they had money. They controlled everyone from the school board, administration on down to the teachers aids. The administration kisses their ass because of economic reasons. They want their kids to be able to get into a nice private college or Ivy school even if they don't earn it. I seen it... The day I left that seen was a great day in my life.

Speaking of DC, my friend works on the hill, this dude knows his shit.It took him 10 yrs to get a PR position with a Congressman. He told me kids right out of college get high positions on the hill because their parents have money and clout, he said they don't know nothing, it's a joke. There's another reason why the government is soooo fucked up!
 
ceo said:
I think the permissive parents are definitely the most common. Kids seem to run the roost more and more as the years/decades go by. It's tiring when both parents work all the time and someone else raises the kids, the parents get them after 6pm and are tired from working all day. They give in easily and the kids do what the kids want. Discipline is merely verbal threats that are never carried out, or if they are carried out, never to the extent that was threatened. Kids catch on to this quickly and will extort that weakness naturally at a very young age.

Do you think people are able to outgrow this or figure out the damage and correct it in their own lives later on in life?
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Yeah, permissive parents are most prevalent. Yeah, I seen kids that were determined not to end up like their parents. They worked their buts off to be excellent students. There is always a remnant that have the right stuff. However, my perspective is teachers are just salvaging the wreckage, it's that bad.

For the record, AUTHORITATIVE parents make the best parents because they support their kids and give them their space, but keep them in line when they need it. AUTHORITARIAN make bad parents because they put too much pressure on their kids to excel and micromanage their lives, these kids usually rebel, and resort to drugs and alcohol, and get knocked-up or end up on psychotropics. Did you ever see the movie "Mommy Dearest"?
 
ledhead said:
Yeah, permissive parents are most prevalent. Yeah, I seen kids that were determined not to end up like their parents. They worked their buts off to be excellent students. There is always a remnant that have the right stuff. However, my perspective is teachers are just salvaging the wreckage, it's that bad.

For the record, AUTHORITATIVE parents make the best parents because they support their kids and give them their space, but keep them in line when they need it. AUTHORITARIAN make bad parents because they put too much pressure on their kids to excel and micromanage their lives, these kids usually rebel, and resort to drugs and alcohol, and get knocked-up or end up on psychotropics. Did you ever see the movie "Mommy Dearest"?
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Would you say Asian parents are more authoritarian or authoritative in general? At least in generations past, it seems to me they were more authoritarian. Seems to have worked well for them for many generations. Of course as they become more westernized it will probably cease to work as well as the kids feel they may actually have a choice to rebel. lol.

-oh, maybe 75th will chime in on this...being an Asian, and an expert on everything.
 
ceo said:
Would you say Asian parents are more authoritarian or authoritative in general? At least in generations past, it seems to me they were more authoritarian. Seems to have worked well for them for many generations. Of course as they become more westernized it will probably cease to work as well as the kids feel they may actually have a choice to rebel. lol.

-oh, maybe 75th will chime in on this...being an Asian, and an expert on everything.
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I would say traditionally Asian parents are more authoritarian because that goes with their culture, but if they been Americanized probably not so much.
 
ceo said:
I think being raised on a farm where there's always work to do and everyone has a job helps a lot. Kids on farms start working at a very young age doing something. That helps them learn responsibility and that they are expected to work in order to earn their keep.

Maybe more suburban parents should send their kids to "farm camps"?
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Just make them have responsibilities. My brother was raised like me and his son, my nephew, is so entitled it's disgusting. He has all the latest Apple products while my brother works two jobs to support the family. He's also a discipline problem at school and home even though he's smart and gets good grades.

It's the lack of personal responsibility...the simple idea of working for what you get...I would roll out of bed at 6:00 AM for two a day football practices and when I was released I would go bail hay until dark for 2.00 an hour...under the table. I also got a nice allowance of $40.00 a week that I spent on games but other than that my parents gave me food, shelter, and the cheapest clothes my mother could find...lol...
 
cindylou said:
My parents didn't believe in an allowance.
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neither did mine, most parents give allowances for no good reason or for chores, my parents said those chores were our responsibility and our way of cooperating with the family, when we did want to by something they'd usually buy it for us depending on whether or not we "cooperate" lol

The problem with rewarding kids with money is that entitlement, they want more, they feel like it's theirs and they deserve it every time they do certain things, my cognitive behaviorism techer in college told us that his father always sued the same reinforcement throughout their childhood and teens, which was pizza, you get a good report card? it's pizza day, you graduate and let's go for pizza, never the same pizza, they went to dif places (and no he wasnt a fatty) says he remembers working hard to "earn" that pizza:p when you use a same reinforcement method that cant increase (as opposed to money and gifts) then kids dont feel that entitlement... and of course there's positive reinforcement through other non-material things that are good as well... money works for some, just not for most....
 
I remember when I was 13 or so my parents sat my brothers and I down and asked us whether we continued wanting allowance for chores or if we preferred no allowance and they would simply buy us things we wanted periodically. We all opted for the former. We turned out fine (I think), but I personally believe it had more to do with our situation as a whole. My parents were in debt* up to the point where they considered filing bankruptcy (my dad worked in finance so they decided not to...would have impacted/threatened his job) so aside from the essentials (clothes and school) we were kinda forced to buy our own things. We all started working at 12 or 13 so that by the time we were 15 we could get a cheap ass car and pay for our own insurance/gas. I remember my grandma (who is well off) offered to buy each of us a car when we came of age, but my dad refused consistently, would always make sure birthday/christmas presents didnt exceed $100 in value, etc.

So yeah, it extends way past allowance imo. Even if, Allah willing, I am wealthy by the time I have kids I plan on treating them the same way.

*When we moved from LA to Hawaii, we kept our house in Northridge and rented it out. Got fugged up by the earthquake. Couldnt rent it after that. Foreclosure, etc.
 
superdave said:
Look at me, I walked up hill to school in the snow both ways
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lol - not claiming it was anywhere near that bad.

My mom got a job as a secretary at a private school so my older bro and I got in for free, whereas my 2 younger brothers got 50% off tuition (one of them got kicked out for teh pot fogging so that saved us some cash).
 
75th said:
lol - not claiming it was anywhere near that bad.

My mom got a job as a secretary at a private school so my older bro and I got in for free, whereas my 2 younger brothers got 50% off tuition (one of them got kicked out for teh pot fogging so that saved us some cash).
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Look at me, I went to private school.

JK rob, fogg for teh win btw
 
Naturally my mom was a tad embarrassed when all that went down.
 
:mad:
 
nangiggles said:
neither did mine, most parents give allowances for no good reason or for chores, my parents said those chores were our responsibility and our way of cooperating with the family, when we did want to by something they'd usually buy it for us depending on whether or not we "cooperate" lol

The problem with rewarding kids with money is that entitlement, they want more, they feel like it's theirs and they deserve it every time they do certain things, my cognitive behaviorism techer in college told us that his father always sued the same reinforcement throughout their childhood and teens, which was pizza, you get a good report card? it's pizza day, you graduate and let's go for pizza, never the same pizza, they went to dif places (and no he wasnt a fatty) says he remembers working hard to "earn" that pizza:p when you use a same reinforcement method that cant increase (as opposed to money and gifts) then kids dont feel that entitlement... and of course there's positive reinforcement through other non-material things that are good as well... money works for some, just not for most....
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I wasn't allowed to have an allowance because "kids do not need spending money." :) I have no idea what I would have done with 40 bucks a week, I would have been in heaven with that kind of freedom. I didn't have any chores, but I was a really busy kid. Outside of school and homework I had bible study twice a week, three services on Sundays, private viola and voice lessons, and played softball, volleyball, and basketball. I was expected to pick up after myself. I did my own laundry and cooked my own meals though my mom would have done that stuff for me, I just didnt like the way she did them.

I'm going to give Abby an allowance for chores, but she has to give some of it away.
 
cindylou said:
I wasn't allowed to have an allowance because "kids do not need spending money." :) I have no idea what I would have done with 40 bucks a week, I would have been in heaven with that kind of freedom. I didn't have any chores, but I was a really busy kid. Outside of school and homework I had bible study twice a week, three services on Sundays, private viola and voice lessons, and played softball, volleyball, and basketball. I was expected to pick up after myself. I did my own laundry and cooked my own meals though my mom would have done that stuff for me, I just didnt like the way she did them.

I'm going to give Abby an allowance for chores, but she has to give some of it away.
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Why three? Did the sermon change for each group?
 
What does Lartinos think of that? :confused:
 
javaguru said:
Authoritarian=schedule.

Wtf? Life is about authoritarian rule... Lame...

I have negotiated deadlines with clients and I have never missed one; Lame

My mom was pissed about that Thanksgiving.
My parents just expected me to be "responsible." ...Lame

I was always home and playing D&D or World in Flames when I was teen. ...Lame/loser

My job was to do what was expected of me... So lame
splitting wood ...lame!

working the farm... lame!!

I did this as a matter of duty...*scoffs* dbag

WTF is wrong with you people?... Uh, nuthin.
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The above represents the typical attitude of today's youth! And sadly some adults also. Our country's values are being alienated and corrupted from within and we keep letting it get worse. Because we can do no wrong.

lol.
 
If you hit them three times a day with bible classes, studies indicate a far higher % chance of having them totally brainwashed and controlled.
You must really ingrain ridiculous ideas for people to have "faith".
I used to work weddings and funerals as an altar boy,
The tips were best at the weddings for sure.
 
lartinos said:
If you hit them three times a day with bible classes, studies indicate a far higher % chance of having them totally brainwashed and controlled.
You must really ingrain ridiculous ideas for people to have "faith".
I used work weddings and funerals as an altar boy,
The tips were best at the weddings for sure.
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lol @ me being brainwashed.

I couldn't have cared less. I barely paid attention, and none of it made sense to me. I hated it. I had good parents though. They loved me and I never once questioned that...still don't.
 
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cindylou said:
lol @ me being brainwashed.

I couldn't have cared less. I barely paid attention, and none of it made sense to me. I hated it. I had good parents though. They loved me and I never once questioned that...still don't.
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Ummm..new wine...you question that...
 
stfu
 
they should all starve
in Ukraine the female is responsible
no starving Ukrainins
no fat Ukranians
thier verage montly salary in USD is 200
and I've flown over most of Ukraine
that land can feed the entire world
so don 't cry to me about the niggers in detroit
 
well I probably ned to take my wallet ot wendys
that is
if I want to come away with eat
my isue is the fine,well shaped black girl who handles the orders
in 2 visits,inside and drivethrough I;ve noticed they task her with the diificult communicative part
and she has moxie
and she knows I know
me and her could have an NFL defensive back
 
I'm gonna wear me NYY yankees batting helmet when I go through the drive thoguht
we've already made that "I know, you know me" eye contact
and I no longerconcern myself withcolor/sahed of skin.
the best american
is an amercan
 
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